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eyeball226: Snip...
...Well, if the roles are randomly allocated then not having been mafia before doesn't make you more likely to be mafia this time. That's like thinking you're more likely to win the lottery the longer you play the same numbers.
If you subscribe to the Pure Random theory, it should still be 9.1%
However, there are other models that suggest a non-recursive scheme, which would give a number closer to 31.8% & still others that land in between.
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andy433uk: not much to go on so far, except I see elbaz try to push Twilight to vote for popinjay and then go on to vote for them himself... hmmmm

so on that point Vote elbaz
Well, I just questioned why he voted for me when he had some suspicion of someone else. In any case, the RVS seems well under way, so
Unvote Popinjay
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eyeball226: Snip...
...Well, if the roles are randomly allocated then not having been mafia before doesn't make you more likely to be mafia this time. That's like thinking you're more likely to win the lottery the longer you play the same numbers.
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Rodzaju: If you subscribe to the Pure Random theory, it should still be 9.1%
However, there are other models that suggest a non-recursive scheme, which would give a number closer to 31.8% & still others that land in between.
But how could whether nmillar's been mafia before have any effect on what is a totally separate random draw?
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Rodzaju: If you subscribe to the Pure Random theory, it should still be 9.1%
However, there are other models that suggest a non-recursive scheme, which would give a number closer to 31.8% & still others that land in between.
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eyeball226: But how could whether nmillar's been mafia before have any effect on what is a totally separate random draw?
My personal favourite: The conspiracy theory.
The draw is not random.
Roles are assigned to amuse the moderator.
We're told it's random so we don't suspect favouritism.
As we don't have any information with which to deduce the assignations, for us it may as well be random, giving the mod a clear consience.
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Rodzaju: Care to explain the math behind that probability?
Unless you know more than I do, I can only see about 9%
It's quite simple. 1/4 players are mafia (based on previous game), so based on probability one should be mafia once per 4 games. This is nmillar's 4th game a he has yet to be mafia, so my conclusion is obvious, he has to be mafia. ;-) This is my absolutely holeproof math. :-)

FOS:Popinjay. I think you understand why.
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eyeball226: But how could whether nmillar's been mafia before have any effect on what is a totally separate random draw?
Eyeball is just as likely to have drawn mafia again.

Back to the point though; the most suspicious are those who involved in the early bandwagoning, though it is still too early to name any firm suspects.
Just to mix things up a little, who is who?

I am the trash can, which explains why I tend to talk crap ;)
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eyeball226: But how could whether nmillar's been mafia before have any effect on what is a totally separate random draw?
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nmillar: Eyeball is just as likely to have drawn mafia again.

Back to the point though; the most suspicious are those who involved in the early bandwagoning, though it is still too early to name any firm suspects.
Exactly! Not that I am of course. >.>

No really.
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Vitek: It's quite simple. 1/4 players are mafia (based on previous game), so based on probability one should be mafia once per 4 games. This is nmillar's 4th game a he has yet to be mafia, so my conclusion is obvious, he has to be mafia. ;-) This is my absolutely holeproof math. :-)
that was what I tried to say in my previous post and what Rodzaju is also going at. But since its purely based on meta game speculations, I really doubt it will have any hold in reality. As nmillar also said it would apply to other players as well. Maybe less meta game and more focus on. Hmm well not really much to focus on - except the apparently strange focus from some players on voting nmillar.
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Rodzaju: Just to mix things up a little, who is who?

I am the trash can, which explains why I tend to talk crap ;)
First, I won't tell for now.
Second, really? you are electrical trash can?
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Vitek: Second, really? you are electrical trash can?
Perhaps a garbage disposal unit? Those could be what I call electrical trash can's. But he didn't say anything about it being electrical.

On the off hand, I too won't be claiming anything this early in - doesn't really help much.
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Rodzaju: Just to mix things up a little, who is who?

I am the trash can, which explains why I tend to talk crap ;)
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Vitek: First, I won't tell for now.
Second, really? you are electrical trash can?
I guess I'm about as electrical as I am whiteware.
I'm actually a lovely gleaming chrome, if you ignore the odd splashes below the rim...
... I'm actually gonna shut up now before I sound too much like a toilet!
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Red_Baron: Perhaps a garbage disposal unit? Those could be what I call electrical trash can's. But he didn't say anything about it being electrical.

On the off hand, I too won't be claiming anything this early in - doesn't really help much.
But aren't appliances electrical machines? And Damnation was killed by unplugging.
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Red_Baron: On the off hand, I too won't be claiming anything this early in - doesn't really help much.
Well, this claim seems to have lead to something, interesting or useless. It could have been a garbage disposal but I wouldn't come close to calling it a trash can.

I'm not going to claim anything though.
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Vitek: Second, really? you are electrical trash can?
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Red_Baron: Perhaps a garbage disposal unit? Those could be what I call electrical trash can's. But he didn't say anything about it being electrical.

On the off hand, I too won't be claiming anything this early in - doesn't really help much.
I hadn't thought of this as claiming anything, more just putting faces (?shapes) to the voices.