Rodzaju Soft-claiming trash can makes very little sense if he is scum as it was unprompted, sticks out against the brief (non-electrical) and its day 1, with not much going on.

however it could have been an elborate ruse to get us to reveil our names, which has failed

anyhow I'm not that convinced either way so
unvote

In my eagarness to enter this game I have unsettled a wasps nest. Accusing people with out reason has only given others the reason to suspect me. What fun. I didn't know anything about town people's power have or what they do I thought we were all the same.

unvote Rodzaju

EDIT: Massive grammer failure, sorry!

Hey, no editing! You could have made some kind of scum slip up and then removed it under the pretence of correcting your grammar. I'm onto you boy..!

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OK, I don't get it.
People start questioning me.
I figure that to leave questions unanswered would make me look as if I was avoiding the issue, so I defend myself.
The harder I defend, the harder the attacks get.
I step back & stop defending (actually just a really busy day at work).
The attacks just melt away.
How does that work?

I can see that people still have questions.
I'm not going to re-open that whole can of worms, but I am happy to answer direct questions.

Popinjay, I will not abide by people breaking the rules, for any reason. Considering that this is your first game, I will show lenience and you may consider this your first and final warning.
If it occurs again, I will see myself necessitated to have you replaced.

Everyone else will do well to heed this warning as well :p

Okay, so your still not giving any reasons? Wouldn't the obvious for you be to state what your reasons for voting or unvoting are? Actually why don't you do so? You just stated that other people will find it suspicious when one accuses others without reason, and yet you do it?? Your only reason so to speak, is going at inexperience (eagerness). But you just got a perfect chance to explain your reasons for voting / unvoting. Its always very good to know where people stand in the game and to get a feeling of them. Currently your not forthcoming with anything.

And when you also edited a post we have no way of knowing what you initially wrote and if it was something you noticed would incriminate you enough for you to risk punishment by breaking a rule (Although I would like to hope you weren't aware of the rule, you wrote sorry after your edit message, hinting that you were fully aware that you were breaking a rule). Not good.

So yea, I had hoped for some sort of explanation or reasoning before doing anything - but as nothing came, I gotta go with you as my current primary suspect (even if I mostly suspecting you for being a thirdparty it still will be in the towns favor to rid us of you).

Therefore with my current line of suspects I will say: Vote Popinjay

Alright, I'm here and read through the thread. I'm about ready to put in my view of the situation with Rodzaju. To be fair you can consider this bandwagoning, or you can consider it reading much too deeply into nothing at all. At this stage, though, reading too deeply into nothing at all is just about all Town can work with.

A trash can has many many differences from at least my own role. First off, there's the obvious problem with it being impossible to unplug -- the flavor term for killing being "unplug" says to me that MOST deaths will be by unplugging (meaning nightkills, mislynches, etc. -- so town) and not by whatever would be required to decommission a trash can.
Secondly, and this is something which strikes me as important, "trash" and receptacles for it are often equated with killing (take out the trash, let's trash him, bodies in the dumpster, etc) and I feel that there's a certain leaning in American culture to equate such terminology in reference to death with organized crime.
Lastly, trash cans deal with dirt and grime and filth and causative agents of disease, it's their JOB. What is a synonym for such debris?

Scum.

Pretty poor argument overall, but do any of YOU have better things to go on?

"Taking out the trash" could also be a reference to a cop role ...

I don't think we should use people's kitchen status as a determining factor on whether or not they are Scum. A trash can can't be unplugged, but it can still be smashed apart if it is plastic, or severally dented if metal. I don't think we should use fluff to determine our votes, we should watch how people react to accusations.

Popinjay has really popped out at me, mainly due to his post edit. I know Damnation let it slide this time, but the edit does not sit well with me. I'm not going to throw a vote down yet though, I want to see his defense.

Every post Popinjay makes has increased my suspicion of him.
However, I don't want to sit here & build a case now (too much risk of pot & kettle arguements).

Yea, as you yourself mentioned its a pretty poor argument and since the trash is usually assumed to be inside the trash can, one could say it would be a role for a jailer. Taking out the trash as nmillar said could be a cop.. bodies in the dumbster.. hmm. Anyway poor guesswork and thats all assuming our roles and role names are connected, which I judging from myself doubt. So I wouldn't be going for a push on a theory based on the meaning of trash, but instead I'll focus on the behavior.

When I saw Rodzaju's very defensive act I felt it to be fair scummy and thereby also suspicious, but as we've seen from other games defensive acting does not equal scum. In the most defensive cases in the other games they turned out town. It, however, still placed him on my suspect list, although I lowered his position after seeing his post where he expresses surprise about the decreased focus on him, which I read as a town reaction, thereby making him less scum in my eyes. Therefore I will continue focusing on the one I find to be behaving most strangely, instead of the one having the strange name.

Depending on whatever happens in regard of both of them I might re-adjust my focus, but as of now I keep my vote where it is (Even if trash is linked to something dirty).


Btw: Whats "pot & kettle arguments"?

The pot calling the kettle black.
It's a term for person A accusing person B of acting in a way that person A is also acting.

I don't want to have to start defending myself all over again....

After Popinjay's post, I'm not really sure what to make of it. The edit certainly doesn't help any case because we don't know if anything else was there when he made the grammar edit. I'm inclined to think a newbie mistake, but not enough to remove my vote. There's been no attempt at defending himself or whatnot, so I have to say I'm curious to all of this.

And Rod...you might as well make your argument and case ANYWAY. Judging from the games I've read what you say or don't say can eventually come back to bite you in the ass anyway. But that's just the opinion I have at this state.

OK:

Pop's first post (post 10)
Would have been a fairly normal intro post, But it's also the first bandwagon vote.
He's either sycophanting Vitek, hoping to find an ally, or it's an attempt to build momentum for a lightning lynch.

2nd post (60)
He accuses me of trying to stir up a frenzy & enters his 2nd waggoning vote, again following Vitek.
Nobody else attacked Nmillar, so he goes for a more vulnerable target.

3rd post (66)
He accuses me of pretending to be objective.
I can see no justification for this accusation. My posts could be described many ways, but I don't see objective in the list.
He tells everyone to vote for me, in order to get closer to those with evil intent.
This reinforces my impression that he is hoping for a fast lynching.
If he believed I am scum, killing me would prove that he has found the bad guys, not just getting closer.
This says to me that he wants a quick kill, purey to thin the field.
There is no town justification for this.
The town should lynch every day, but should also take care to try to lynch the right targets.

4th post (70)
"Vitek may well be scum but I certainly wouldn't be so obvious to follow him if I was. "
Vitek said something very similar in post 68.
So rather than coming up with a plausable explanation, he is again taking his lead from Vitek.
He confirms that he doesn't care who dies, but again recommends me.

Sometime between this & the next post, he changes his profile location from Australia to Guyana.
Maybe he travelled, or maybe he is trying to distance himself from my early (& not entirely serious) anti-oz comments.
Also the attack on me has died down & Twilight has switched his vote from me to Pop.

5th post (92)
He now starts making excuses for his behaviour, remarkably similar to those that I had made in my defence.
He also claims to not know that Townies can have powers.
So again he is relying on the words of others, rather than expressing himself.
The idea that he does not about town roles I find HIGHLY suspicous.
For this to be true, he has not read any of the other mafia games, or read the wiki.
It says that he really knows very little about the game.
So why did he decide to join it?
It also means that he is not town.
Even if he were vanilla town, the very fact that he is vanilla infers that there are other kinds of townie.
Referencing back to his 4th post, if he knows so little about the game, how is he able to detect scummy behaviour?
Then, of course, this is the post that got edited.
The connotations of this are obvious.

To sum up:
I cannot find a single sentence that he has written that shows him in a positive light.
I am convinced that he lied in reference to town powers.
He has tried very hard to take his lead from the actions of others, which suggests that he trying to hide his own persona/view/role/whatever.
He has repeatedly pushed for a quick kill, which can only benefit scum.

During the above analysis, I realised that I can no longer justify my current vote.

Unvote Vitek, Vote Popinjay