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EverNightX: You have the choice to buy a game or not. That's the same on PC as console.

One thing is for sure, PC games are cheaper and you don't have to repurchase them when a new piece of hardware comes out.
And we also can't :)
Sometimes it would be nice tho to get the remakes and collections which currently are only available on consoles.
I would not mind to play Super Star Wars on PC or Turrican Flashback, Loco Roco or the graphically updated version of Jedi Outcast instead of my PS4.
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neumi5694: No wonder everyone believes he needs admin rights to run a software if Valve's software acts as if it was written in 1995.
From what I understand, on steamos steam explicitly does not get admin rights; in fact, it runs as a separate user from the desktop user, and the steam user doesn't have sudo access.

Then again, Linux users don't use admin access as much as Windows users do, and software is built with that in mind, to the point where some pieces of software (VLC, for example) will actually refuse to run as root.

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temps: Imagine if I said I dislike driving faster than 45 mph, therefore I want a car that is incapable of going faster than 45 mph. Is that reasonable? Even if I don't want to go 70 mph today, there might be an unforeseen circumstance in the future where I need to get somewhere by a certain time... at which point it is potentially useful to have a car that has the capability of going 70 mph even if I am usually only interested in driving 45 mph.
The advantage of a car that doesn't go faster than 45 miles per hour is that you can't accidentally go faster than 45 miles per hour. This sort of thing is the reason that one might want a device whose capabilities are more limited.

(I actually wish there were some mainstream web browsers with more limited features, like not having JavaScript support.)
Post edited December 30, 2022 by dtgreene
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neumi5694: Sometimes it would be nice tho to get the remakes and collections which currently are only available on consoles.
I would not mind to play Super Star Wars on PC or Turrican Flashback, Loco Roco or the graphically updated version of Jedi Outcast instead of my PS4.
You can. Emulator.

Anyway the games you are talking about are not really upgraded on PS4 vs what they'd be on PC.

This what you are talking about?
https://www.psu.com/reviews/star-wars-jedi-knight-ii-jedi-outcast-ps4-review/

Looks like a half ass port of the PC version. So that vs free mods:
https://www.nexusmods.com/jediknight2/mods/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ8dq0acfss&t=2s

I think I'd take the PC mods.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by EverNightX
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neumi5694: Sometimes it would be nice tho to get the remakes and collections which currently are only available on consoles.
I would not mind to play Super Star Wars on PC or Turrican Flashback, Loco Roco or the graphically updated version of Jedi Outcast instead of my PS4.
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EverNightX: You can. Emulator.

Anyway the games you are talking about are not really upgraded on PS4 vs what they'd be on PC.

This what you are talking about?
https://www.psu.com/reviews/star-wars-jedi-knight-ii-jedi-outcast-ps4-review/

Looks like a half ass port of the PC version. So that vs free mods:
https://www.nexusmods.com/jediknight2/mods/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ8dq0acfss&t=2s

I think I'd take the PC mods.
I don't know a PS4 emulator, best I could find was a PS3 emulator. And emulating the original games is not the same as remakes of them, for example adapted for wide screens and with new features like rewind and so.
Turrican Flashback and Turrican Anthology (by StrictlyLimited Games) only exist on consoles. They are not just emulations of the original Amiga/PC/Megadrive/Supernintendo games. Of course I have the Amiga and DOS versions as well (payed 120$ for the DOS version of T2), running in emulators, but I would like to have the full package on PC which currently is not possible.

These were just examples of old stuff that is excluive to the consoles, JO actually looks quite nice, but playing it with a gamepad ... I don't think so.
Mods don't change the graphics engine which on PC was optimized for a different generation of graphic cards.


What I wanted to say that these types of games don't get PC releases for the one reason that we would want them for free. No one would buy GTAV again because of a graphic update. We expect to get the update for free. Sure, the PC version almost looks like the PS5 version anyway (which has also improved loading times using the PS5's new technology), but I don't think we will get an update for it to match that version.
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neumi5694: And emulating the original games is not the same as remakes of them, for example adapted for wide screens and with new features like rewind and so.
Rewind is a feature that many emulators support, especially if the emulator is for a console that's both old and popular.
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dtgreene: Rewind is a feature that many emulators support, especially if the emulator is for a console that's both old and popular.
But it's not ingame ... again: example. They DID change the game, the change didn't make it to PC. That's all.
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temps: AAA PC gaming in 10 years will require 10 different launchers, 50 different online accounts, and the games will essentially be rented instead owned by the players.
Funny you would say that, since there are quite a few console games that also require separate accounts to play as well, including the likes of EA, Ubisoft, Epic, Rockstar, etc... Consoles may not feature a gazillion launchers, but a lot of their online requirements tend to be fairly similar to what happens to their PC counterparts.
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dtgreene: Rewind is a feature that many emulators support, especially if the emulator is for a console that's both old and popular.
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neumi5694: But it's not ingame ... again: example. They DID change the game, the change didn't make it to PC. That's all.
Except that such games are likely just the original games running under emulators that happen to support this feature.
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dtgreene: Except that such games are likely just the original games running under emulators that happen to support this feature.
It's not the case for the new Turrican versions.

Really ... you don't need to tell me about emulators. I worked with these for literally decades now.
Of course part of the software runs emulated (heck, even the Amiga version of Turrican 2 uses code that was created to run an Amiga emulation on a Atari ST, that's how the 7 voice system was created), but it's not just a 1:1 copy.

In some of these you can select different versions of the soundtrack. They also added til trials (which I am not interested in) and such stuff.
I still have to try it, but they promised a Turrican 3 version with the graphics from the Megadrive version and the music from the Amiga (it's just too bad they didn't include the excellent Turrican 2 DOS version, since that was done by someone else).
And what about the XBLA Version of Prince of Persia? It's not available on any other system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvzg_RSXKfg
I think, also Gyruss was remade and was not run in an emulator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6MS6iQlsU

Same games, but with enhanced graphics.


But let's just assume for a moment that you are right ... they still don't sell it on PC, no matter the technological background. So as long as one doesn't want to pirate these games, there is no option to play them on PC.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by neumi5694
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temps: [...]
And on VR games, Facebook/Oculus has walled off most of the AAA VR games on their Oculus platform now, which requires a Facebook account...
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which can be safely ignored. PC VR is much better than Oculus VR. It is cheaper, yes, but has also several limitations due to hardware. Some of the best VR games, such as Alyx or Hubris, are just not capable to run on Occolus, while others like Pistol Whip or Walking Dead: Saints or Sinners are very downgraded.

And no, they have not got most AAA VR games. There are much more PC VR games now than Oculus VR Games games, though there are a couple of exclusives.
Post edited December 30, 2022 by amok
Personall I feel like it depend on how the future of GoG will be. If GoG continue to stay and being DRM Free then PC is the better one. Cause since PS4, X1 I feel like consoles lost their one big advantage.
You get a game, you own it physical and you can expect it to continue working despite the age is over.
When I buy an old copy of like Pkm Snap or FF X for their historic consoles I will in nearly all cases have everything that it ever had. But today with all the DLCs and Season Pass and even patches it is doubtfull.
I mean just an example of CP2077 for PS4. If this would be console only in two or three decades someone stumbling on it will likely not have much fun with it.
Meanwhile on PC while I have problems with the UI in DoW or how to run Traffic Giant which with the original CD does not even run on my Windows 10 Laptop anymore, there are people who know how to fix this and make it playable again.
So from my opinion it is not console treating gamers better then PC but consoles still giving gamers the illusion of really owning their games.
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temps: [...]
And on VR games, Facebook/Oculus has walled off most of the AAA VR games on their Oculus platform now, which requires a Facebook account...
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amok: which can be safely ignored. PC VR is much better than Oculus VR. It is cheaper, yes, but has also several limitations due to hardware. Some of the best VR games, such as Alyx or Hubris, are just not capable to run on Occolus, while others like Pistol Whip or Walking Dead: Saints or Sinners are very downgraded.
You're talking about Oculus games designed to be mobile VR games on the Oculus Quest 2. I'm talking about games designed by Oculus and Oculus-funded developers to be played while your VR headset is plugged into a PC. Examples of what I'm talking about: Lone Echo, Asgard's Wrath, and the Vader Immortal trilogy. Those are AAA PC VR games with beautiful graphics, and Oculus has a lot of others like that as well.
Post edited December 31, 2022 by temps
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amok: which can be safely ignored. PC VR is much better than Oculus VR. It is cheaper, yes, but has also several limitations due to hardware. Some of the best VR games, such as Alyx or Hubris, are just not capable to run on Occolus, while others like Pistol Whip or Walking Dead: Saints or Sinners are very downgraded.
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temps: You're talking about Oculus games designed to be mobile VR games on the Oculus Quest 2. I'm talking about games designed by Oculus and Oculus-funded developers to be played while your VR headset is plugged into a PC. Examples of what I'm talking about: Lone Echo, Asgard's Wrath, and the Vader Immortal trilogy. Those are AAA PC VR games with beautiful graphics, and Oculus has a lot of others like that as well.
No, I did not. Your reply here shows that you do not really follow VR games or know much about them. Ocolus is in effect "mobile games". The Ocolus headset is not tethered, within the headset itself sits a small computher which has the computing power equal to roughly two mobile phones. this puts a liimitation on the games made for Ocolus. When I say PC VR it is games made to run on a PC via a VR headset.

And as I said, yes there are some Oculus exclusives, but there are more PC VR games that can not run a Oculus set. Games like Halflife: Alyx. The games that run on both are downgraded to run on Oculus, even Quest 2.

if you are in doubt - https://store.steampowered.com/vr
Rockstar doesn't require you to use their launcher? Last I checked, they actually have their own launcher for their shitty GTA V (regardless of wherever you buy it from). And apparently their """""""""""""Definitive""""""""""""" Editions of their shitty GTA games they're obsessed with are like, require online connection to be played, not sure exactly though.

The San Andreas from Epic also requires their launcher. At this point you have a better experience playing all the GTA games on PS3 and PS2, plus 3/DS or PSP/Vita. Not to mention Red Dead Whatever 2, which also took its time to be cracked.

Aside from that, I don't think PCs have been late to the "console stuff" like microtransactions but rather they were hand-in-hand in this kinda thing. But on PC we get some extra stuff, crap like Steam and its spawn, Denuvo and its spawn, etc. At least consoles usually don't have to deal with this launcher DRM crap, but with Gran Turismo 7 and the new CoD there's some really hideous stuff going on there too.
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PookaMustard: Aside from that, I don't think PCs have been late to the "console stuff" like microtransactions but rather they were hand-in-hand in this kinda thing. But on PC we get some extra stuff, crap like Steam and its spawn, Denuvo and its spawn, etc. At least consoles usually don't have to deal with this launcher DRM crap, but with Gran Turismo 7 and the new CoD there's some really hideous stuff going on there too.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/24/23319847/nintendo-switch-denuvo-drm-anti-cheat-software-emulated-games-pc

(Also, the way modern consoles work inherently involves DRM.)