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StingingVelvet: ...
Let's face the truth. Gaming performance decreases with age and we can't do anything with it. I bet that your performance in FPS games is also lower, but you haven't noticed it. The best thing is to verify this in multiplayer shooters. I'm past 30 and already noticed some worse performance when gaming and it won't get better in time. This is one of the reasons why games have different difficulty levels to choose from (this doesn't include multiplayer titles though). Basically it's nothing we should worry about too much, as we don't have any influence over this fact. We just have to accept this and move on. :)
Post edited July 23, 2021 by Sarafan
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Sarafan: Let's face the truth. Gaming performance decreases with age and we can't do anything with it.
Not really. I have no doubt it decreases, but you can improve it somewhat. But good luck finding a time to improve your gaming and mental skills with job + family draining life energy.
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Mafwek: Not really. I have no doubt it decreases, but you can improve it somewhat. But good luck finding a time to improve your gaming and mental skills with job + family draining life energy.
No doubtfully the reflex degradation is much slower if you practice a lot. The same applies to mental skills. It still degrades in time to some extent. Besides that, as you noted, it's hard to practice everything. The time is strictly limited.
It's all about practice honestly. Yes, age plays a factor, but I'd say that a 40 year old would be able to play at around an 80-85% of the capacity of a 19 year old with enough practice. They might have to practice more and longer, but I really think most people over-estimate the effect of age (unless you start getting into the 50-55+ territory). In the vast majoriry of cases, it's more likely due to lack of time for playing games as responsibilities pile up with age.

Maybe I'll necro this thread in 15-20 years and report if I can still fight Godlike bots in Unreal Tournament :P.
Post edited July 23, 2021 by idbeholdME
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maybe stop playing then and start bingo or whatever old people do these days
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StingingVelvet: I've been watching tournaments over lunch lately and they're pretty much all kids, but I'm not watching Tekken or SF much. I'm watching ML, Injustice and Killer Instinct.
What's ML? I currently watch JustinWong's channel, LiangHuBBB, 2Old2Furious, EVO, CrimsonCross, SNK runbacks, Avoiding The Puddle and KOF2k2 highlights. It's a mix of ppl but a lot of the players are 40 to 55. Especially in the Tekken and Soul Calibur scene.
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Mafwek: Well, only fighting game I follow is Tekken 7, and famous Korean players JDCR and Knee are over 30. That being said, I don't recommend learning Tekken as a fighting game if you don't have a lot of time and patience, because Tekken 7 has over 40 characters with each having over 100 moves.

It's still the most fun fighting game to watch, though.
Love watching T7 but the opening of Season 3 was trash. It seems to be better but still needs a lot of work. I no longer own the game since I sold my Steam account but I play it locals all the time. One of my neighbors has a T7 arcade machine. Every now and then I go there and get my Akuma on and use all of this broken strats.

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idbeholdME: Maybe I'll necro this thread in 15-20 years and report if I can still fight Godlike bots in Unreal Tournament :P.
UT99 is my wife and I's bread and butter. We still do co-op against bots and play online with the family and a few friends. Even when we go to local against the younger crowd we do very well :) If you keep your health up, getting old won't be as taxing on the reflexes.
Post edited July 23, 2021 by Arcadius-8606
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WinterSnowfall: So you're saying your ability to aimlessly mash buttons has diminished? :P

I jest - but to be honest I've never liked fighting games that relied on impossible button combinations for combos. Not even when I was young(er) could I get them right. I think I managed to pull off a few old-school Mortal Kombat fatalities in my lifetime, and that's enough for me :P.
I'm not very good at combos either, at least not the long string kind like people who are very good do. I can do a three or four button one pretty easily, but I rarely think to do so. I'm just more focused on special moves no matter how hard I try to do otherwise.

One part of that might be having to be so fast as to take advantage. Speed is really the thing that made me start this thread. In MKX there's a tutorial section where you have to do a combo and then a special move immediately afterward and it took me FOREVER to do it fast enough. I doubt that would have been a problem 20 years ago!
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StingingVelvet: In MKX there's a tutorial section where you have to do a combo and then a special move immediately afterward and it took me FOREVER to do it fast enough. I doubt that would have been a problem 20 years ago!
MKX buffers moves, so you can take your time during the input but any miss-input will release the buffer.
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StingingVelvet: In MKX there's a tutorial section where you have to do a combo and then a special move immediately afterward and it took me FOREVER to do it fast enough. I doubt that would have been a problem 20 years ago!
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Arcadius-8606: MKX buffers moves, so you can take your time during the input but any miss-input will release the buffer.
yeah just memorize it and repeat , dont worry about what is going on the screen
I noticed that FPS games became quite a bit harder a few years ago, when I was about 50.
The irony is that it was the same time I got slim and fit. So my reflexes were actually better when I was fat and untrained. (I've also come to the conclusion that you know you're getting old when you prefer uphill to downhill when walking off the beaten track.)

I have no problems with a game like Diablo 2, though, or slower games like Thief 1 and 2.
Post edited July 25, 2021 by PetrusOctavianus
I agree fighting games are mostly about practicing the execution, and reading your opponent's intentions (when fighting people at least).

Faster reaction time is probably more impactful in online FPS games. There are various online tests for it, for example: https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime which claims 273 ms as the average. If you look at stats from aim trainers, the people with the best reaction time are a lot faster than that.
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hyperagathon: I agree fighting games are mostly about practicing the execution, and reading your opponent's intentions (when fighting people at least).

Faster reaction time is probably more impactful in online FPS games. There are various online tests for it, for example: https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime which claims 273 ms as the average. If you look at stats from aim trainers, the people with the best reaction time are a lot faster than that.
Depends on the fighting game. That jab or whatever can be really important. OP seems to have an issue with execution, which tells me he doesn't understand the game's dial-a-combo system. The input buffers and practice methods for using them are not straightforward in these games, especially Mortal Kombat. Slower games like Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, etc tend to work a little better for that. The problem with fighting games, these days, is that their tutorials are trash. I've had people recommend games on gog for their great tutorials, I try them out, and i come off convinced they're trash. They have this infernal problem of not being able to teach people effectively. The information in them is usually good (or oversimplified), but the worst part is the presentation of the information. From what i've been told (without trying it out, based on some things seen in a video about video game tutorials), one of the more recent mortal kombat games have taken a step in the right direction, but the rest of their tutorials are awful. I could easily go on for a long rant about all the problems with them.
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WinterSnowfall: So you're saying your ability to aimlessly mash buttons has diminished? :P

I jest - but to be honest I've never liked fighting games that relied on impossible button combinations for combos. Not even when I was young(er) could I get them right. I think I managed to pull off a few old-school Mortal Kombat fatalities in my lifetime, and that's enough for me :P.
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StingingVelvet: I'm not very good at combos either, at least not the long string kind like people who are very good do. I can do a three or four button one pretty easily, but I rarely think to do so. I'm just more focused on special moves no matter how hard I try to do otherwise.

One part of that might be having to be so fast as to take advantage. Speed is really the thing that made me start this thread. In MKX there's a tutorial section where you have to do a combo and then a special move immediately afterward and it took me FOREVER to do it fast enough. I doubt that would have been a problem 20 years ago!
It would've been. If i wasn't so lazy, i'd make a program to help people with combos. Usually combos aren't really the issue, though. They're just the things that everyone and their brother can see first since that's the easiest way to up your damage. Watch your competitive players, and you'll see combos are not the biggest part of their plan, even if they demonstrate them.
Post edited July 25, 2021 by kohlrak
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StingingVelvet: As a kid I played lots of Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat 1-3 with my friends on SNES, before moving to PC gaming in my teens. Recently I got some SF and MK games in the Summer sales for nostalgia reasons and they're actually pretty fun! However man, I cannot do these long combos at all! I would get destroyed online, and have to play on medium AI settings. Even in the tutorial it's telling me to hit like 6 buttons in a row as fast as I can and I can't do it! Long gone are the days of my youthful fighting combos I guess.
Mmmm i remember being VERY good on the SNES. On MK2 i could not only play Shang Tsung, but i could change to any other character and use their moves on you too. Not that i could beat the game on normal mode... And SF2 and Killer instinct i could play very well with a few characters. Now? I struggle. I don't have the twitchy fingers i had 20 years ago...
Post edited July 25, 2021 by rtcvb32
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StingingVelvet: As a kid I played lots of Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat 1-3 with my friends on SNES, before moving to PC gaming in my teens. Recently I got some SF and MK games in the Summer sales for nostalgia reasons and they're actually pretty fun! However man, I cannot do these long combos at all! I would get destroyed online, and have to play on medium AI settings. Even in the tutorial it's telling me to hit like 6 buttons in a row as fast as I can and I can't do it! Long gone are the days of my youthful fighting combos I guess.
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rtcvb32: Mmmm i remember being VERY good on the SNES. On MK2 i could not only play Tsung Su, but i could change to any other character and use their moves on you too. Not that i could beat the game on normal mode... And SF2 and Killer instinct i could play very well with a few characters. Now? I struggle. I don't have the twitchy fingers i had 20 years ago...
Oddly enough, i got better with age. I'm 30.
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Arcadius-8606: MKX buffers moves, so you can take your time during the input but any miss-input will release the buffer.
Yeah that's how I can do three or four button ones pretty easily, just mash XYX until it comes out. The long strings where you need to do specials in between though, I'm just not fast enough. I hit XYX and then the special move but it just won't chain together no matter how fast I try and do it. Oh wells.