Awright! I'm getting the full HSL treatment... now we're cooking with real charcoal!

I'm again too lazy to correctly format a huge-ass multi-quote parsed response, so let me just pile it in one place:

1) Yes, I felt I had to ask mchack. Is that OK? Sometimes it's OK to clarify things, especially when one is being extra careful. I'm not going to tell you I've never missed a detail in a game, but sometimes I am actually careful on purpose. Hard to believe, I know!

2) Any role unique to each faction? Yes. No. Whut? You askin' me? I don't know, man. I gave up guessing after two Town Cops in #25. I even did two Town Role Cops in #29, didn't I? Could be, maybe, dunno. As for flub's alignment - I'll turn that around on you. How's he Towning these days? Pretty hep Town? Me no think so, but mesa nobee jar jar no tongo. Or translated: How the (bleep) should I know? He's not acting like a Town player, but I'm getting a lot of stick for that particular opinion.

3) Any part of the thread in particular you think I should re-read? I admit I wasn't terribly solid during most of last week when I was running around Texas. I was pretty sure I was adequately caught up, but I'm open to guidance.

4) Evidence I was role-blocked? Like what? You want to check my dead canary in the mineshaft? It should be clear I've been vague about a number of things. We're juggling knives here. Somebody roleblocked me, and now they know I know, but they don't know everything that I know. How could I prove this in any case, unless the Scumblocker wants to come out and verify it for me?

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Got me pegged.

I won't answer questions related on who I used my power on unless, the one in question asks himself. I.E. if you'd ask me if I used my power on you, I'd answer you truthfully. That way the decision if someone wants to be "confirmed" (see I've learned) by me and thereby be maybe be more of a target for scum is fully on the side of the reciever not the giver. I think that's a fair compromise.

Yes my pm basically said the reciever will feel more confident which will delete any negative ability modifiers they may have but that they won't know why they feel more confident now.
From that I gather they will recieve a pm that they are now Town Doctor instead of Town Traumatized Doctor. After a question to rwarehall about my role he answered if I had used my power on him he would have just been God instead of Former God afterwards as an example.
That's also why I'm pretty sure Scum don't have restricted roles going by CSPVGs flip.

Wall of text incoming...

ok someone asked me to reiterate why I find krypsyn scummy (can't find the post to reply to it now, but I'm sure I read it somewhere) and I think now is a good time to try to do that, I hope it makes sense to you, now that more data is available:

To do so I decided to re-re-read the end of day one, which is an awesome read in itself and the peak of the game so far for me :) But I'll focus only on Hijacks claim and Krypsyns reaction...

For me it really gets interesting with post #601 where hijack first mentions that he has a day action (try to ignore all the funny business about hijacks edit elves incidents, hard as it may be) below is a conveniently placed Votecount by HSL showing it's tied with 4 votes each on HijacK and Yogsloth. at first noone reacted at the claim but me (obviously since I also have a day action), at #615 he spills the beans on what day action it is and I really got worried since he was basically saying he had the same role as me and I was asking him if anyone could confirm that, because I was seeing my own eventual claim sailing away. in #621 he basically makes that claim full by saying he's the reserve.
(In all this time Krypsyn doesn't say anything aside from making fun of hijack for breaking his elve punishment twice with the claim post (#607) so he read it scutinizingly enough to see a single letter a not being converted into an @ symbol, but doesn't see anything comment worthy in the claim.)
Right after the fullclaim, yogsloth is the first to step down (#622) from the Hijack wagon and by this makes his own wagon the leading one. without pushing for anyone else, because he saw that Hijacks claim explains alot about the mechanic of this game. Then dedoporno is the third person to find the claim interesting and asks for clarification about how it works and gets that.
And now, of all times, that it's clear how hijacks role works and that it's probably important for town, Krypsyn jumps in to vote for him: "This recent claim from HijacK makes me even more certain. I am just not buying his claim. It is too convenient; plausible, but unconfirmable until someone else dies." #630 - He doesn't ask for clarification he just wants hijack dead now. And after dedoporno teases him that he'll just jump off that wagon again anyway he answers that's "Unlikely, because this isn't a pressure vote looking for a certain response this time. ;)" (#634) confirming that he's quite sure about his vote.
After that I'm also off the hijack wagon and go over to CSPVGs with yogsloth joining me right after. Then dedoporno also back's up Hijacks claim and follows over to CSPVG. Then lifthrasil goes off yogsloths wagon, since he's having second thoughts because of yogsloths reaction to hijacks claim and asks more questions about hijacks role that are promptly answered (#644) By this time there shouldn't be any doubts left, as to what hijacks claim entails.
Now (#645) Agentcarr also backs up hijacks claim and calls out Krypsyn for his scummy jumping on the Hijack wagon just when Hijack claims town. yogsloths self celebrating BlAM post follows in which he in turn backs up Agent (which we now know was spot on) Then even Trentonlf goes off Yogsloths wagon and Agent asks Krypsyn if Hijack was still scummy enough leave his vote on him after agent backed up hijack again.
Then Krypsyn makes his scummiest move yet: With the votecount now being 3 hijack 2 yogsloth 4 cspvg 1 adaliabooks as of #664 he goes off Hijack and votes adaliabooks! Because he doesn't want a no-lynch! Adaliabooks for his rng thingie with only jmichs vote on him, to prevent a no-lynch!
And only after dedoporno calls him out on that at #665 and Krypsyn defends by saying adaliabooks is still scummier and afterwards CSPVG only posts a weak omgus vote for yogsloth and complaining about his internet. Only then is krypsyn finally ready to bus his scumbuddy, I mean vote for CSPVG #669

And with that I go to bed now, if anyone feels I have misrepresented Krypsyn in my commentary please post so that we get a fair Representation of that time.

By the way, I thought I would do something a little fun.

I used adalia’s script to search the term “idiot” in every game I’ve ever played. Here is a list of every time any one player has directly called another player an idiot. (I’ve filtered out self-references and strawman accusations, i.e., “I’m such an idiot” or “You must think we’re idiots”)

Game #24:

trent calls yogsloth an idiot
DarkoD13 calls “everyone” looking for a particular response an idiot (Not sure I should count this one, since he didn’t specify anyone)


Game #25:
dedoporno calls yogsloth an idiot
Krypsyn calls yogsloth an idiot (OK, this one was kind of funny, I admit)
HijacK calls yogsloth an idiot
JMich calls HijacK’s way of playing idiotic

Game #27:
None. Clean game. Well done, people.

Game #28:
Vitek calls yogsloth a "fucking" idiot

Game #30:
adaliabooks calls yogsloth an idiot
HijacK says adaliabooks deserves to be called an idiot

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So.


Factual conclusions: I have never called anyone an idiot, but have been called an idiot six times, including directly by trentonlf. In fact, I am the recipient of 6/8 specific “idiot” accusations.


Have a nice day.

Must... Not... Respond....

:P

Sorry, missed this as I was stringing together my latest batch of idiocy... ;)

I hope everybody parses this and pays attention. It does a great job of explaining why Kryp is in my top two, and really, I am totally comfortable moving forward on him. His continued fumbling in trying to prove he's part of the "in" club adds to this to make him look pretty bad.

But next time mchack... paragraph breaks, buddy! :)

New players and jumping the gun. Sigh. I would like to wait another day for a mass role claim at least however, if the majority would like one I will claim as well and go first if it is deemed.

I can see here Krypsyn is coming under the spot light. I have felt something was off since the beginning however I was leaning towards a possible major role as compared to scum. But my mind has been changing as of recently. I have trent - Hijack - Mack as town. Cristigale I have leaning towards scum. Something is off this game. Jmich as well. I will break down more in the morning.

Monday Night vote count:

3 Krypsyn (McHack, Yogsloth, Lifthrasil)

With 14 players alive it takes 8 votes to kick someone off the island and 7 votes to "no-lynch".
Deadline is in 1 day on Tuesday night at midnight EDT [UTC -4] (Wednesday morning 4 am UTC)

Not Appearing today: Trentonlf and HijacK

Bagatha Chrustie checking in again...
'Twas the night before Lynchmas, when all through the house
not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

A lot of discussion today and some surprise role claims...
Tomorrow there should be fireworks....
Stay Tuned!

I still don't understand the fascination of people wanting to wait until the last minute to decide a course of action to take. I can honestly say I'm not a fan of a mass claim right now. I realize I claimed, but that was to prevent a lynch of someone I believe to be town. I think we need to let the night actions occur and see if we can get any more info before we even contemplate a mass claim (and I will honestly say I will still be against it then, I have expressed my opinion on mass claims and it still stands).

As to the suspicion on Krypsyn, I am still not sure he is scum but I do see why mchack and yog's think he could be. If it came to it I would vote him to prevent a no lynch as I don't really see anyone else I can vote for right now with confidence, and a no lynch is a bad idea.

I think everyone should vote soon as we only have a day left. I will place my vote before the day ends.

My time tomorrow will be limited as I am going out of town for work and the drive is 4 hours each way, but I will check in.

I recieved an answer from rwarehall. Seems like I was very mistaken in assuming someone without a restricted role won't notice something happened when I use my power on them. They would be feeling happier without changing anything gamewise but wouldn't know what it means. Well now they do, so as of now it's official, my confirming townies scheme wasn't thought through (I just assumed one wouldn't be notified when the action fails) and thereby a load of crap. Please disregard anything I said on the matter... *growing embarrased yet again*
oh, and thanks to adaliabooks and cristigale for pointing out the hole in my scheme :) good thinking there.

You should be able to answer your own question considering you fall right in this group currently. Why wait until the end of the day and not right now?

Like this:


vote Krypsyn


I believe I already said this but I will re-iterate. This comment wasn't a tease towards Krypsyn, it was meant for HijacK and his comment about wanting to be able to bet. We had one such interaction in the past and I was alluding to it. As I said, it's an inside joke.


LOL! You actually did the same thing and claimed town cop back then (even though it wasn't right at the start)? See, I have made progress and stopped calling people idiots since ;)

I was hoping to get to this earlier in the evening, it didn’t work.

@mchack – thanks for your wall of text concerning Krypsyn’s behavior at the end of day one. I also encourage everyone to re-read that. It is both entertaining and I believe informative as well. At the time, I did not notice some of the things you mentioned about Krypsyn. However, your take seems accurate.

At the start of Monday those with multiple votes included:
3 HijacK (BlueMooner, Yogsloth, McHack)
3 Yogsloth (Trentonlf, Flubbucket, Lifthrasil)
2 Adaliabooks (JMich, Krypsyn)

During the first half of Monday there was some vote shuffling and Hyper added a vote. At noon the same players each had an additional vote:
4 Yogsloth (Trentonlf, Flubbucket, Lifthrasil, BlueMooner)
4 HijacK (Yogsloth, McHack, Adaliabooks, HypersomniacLive)
3 Adaliabooks (JMich, Krypsyn, HijacK)

Bluemooner did a 180 on his view on yogs and moved from Hijack to yogs. Adalia and Hijack switched their votes to players with more than one vote. Of all the votes during that time, the one that stood out to me was Hyper’s. Primarily, the Reluctant Voter actually voted. Secondarily, the summarizing paragraph before he voted felt overdone, like he was trying a bit too hard to justify his vote. The next few hours were busy. This is where mchack’s recent description of events starts. Hijack claims and yogs unvotes him. In the span of 5 posts, CSPVG picks up votes from mchack, yogs, and dedo. Prior to that, I had the single vote on CSPVG. In the next post, Lift (while still suspicious of yogs) unvotes him. A few posts later, trent unvotes yogs. Roughly 20 posts later, CSPVG votes for yogs. This seems to seal his fate. Krypsyn votes CSPVG two posts later, followed shortly by agent and lift. Hyper votes for CSPVG soon after. Once CSPVG claims, Hijack hammers.

I assume that at least one scum bussed CSPVG. I also assume at least one scum was not on his wagon. Given the speed of the lynch, if we have 3 scum remaining, I’d lean toward one on and two off his wagon, but other combinations are possible. I believe those voting on CPSVG, prior to CSPVG’s vote on yogs, are town. Agent was town and I believe Hijack’s claim which leaves Krypsyn, Lift, and Hyper as the most likely to have bussed CSPVG.

Kryspyn was the first to vote after CSPVG’s vote on yogs. Mchack did a nice job of describing why Kryspyn might be scum.

Lift does a 180 between posts #591 (“there are only two possibilities and I believe yogs is lying”), to his unvote of yogs in #640 (‘I still think he’s lying but yogs unvote of Hijack was a town play”) to #682 (“Now I get it”) [my paraphrase] His support of mass claim and push for flubb to claim could be a convenient scum play. But I also see a lot of his play as pro-town.

Hyper – Is this Hyper’s first game as scum? I don’t know. I found his vote on Hijack suspicious. I’m probably leaning him more scum than most but I’m not convinced he’s scum.

Time to break before this gets any longer.

Interesting analyses by both mchack and cristigale. Krypsyn does indeed look like a good lynch candidate. Not sure if anything more will be said today, but there is some time before the deadline, so not voting yet.

Picking up from the last post, assuming 3 scum remaining, I believe two were not on CSPGV’s wagon. Those not voting for CSPVG are:
Adaliabooks, BlueMooner, Flubbucket, JMich, Sage103082 and Trentonlf

JMich – He seems to be one of those with inside town knowledge.

Trent - I don’t see trent claiming what he did if were scum.

BlueMooner – who wants to speculate that Blue is scum Today? I’ve had him mainly as a newbie town.

Adaliabook – pretty solid neutral here. No strong scum vibes, nothing that pushes strong for town either

flubb – I’m probably the most conflicted about flubb. I’m not sure what the CDs mean. I agree with trent that they seem to support some sort of pro-town role. Flubb’s reactions today seem scummy. He seems evasive which feels like his play on his last day as the arsonist.

Sage – I haven’t seen Sage do anything scummy per se, but she’s been pretty quiet Today. I am interested in her answer to Lift’s question that was not answered:
@BlueMooner – Sorry about the work situation. Hang in there.

@Hyper – I need to reply to a couple of your posts, I thought these are more time critical

So where does that leave me? There are a handful of players I will vote for. Some more reluctantly than others. It’s now pretty late/early for me so I want to sleep on it and vote with a clear head. I’ll be checking the game with my phone. I’ll vote during my lunch break (around the time RWarehall posts his noon report) and try to keep tabs the rest of the day.

Just on here briefly as I am about to get on the road. Will be very busy today, but I will check in.

Before I go, dedo you are right there is not a reason for me put it off.

Vote Krypsyn