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Hey guys, sorry for going AWOL all of a sudden - I had major issues at work and I had to work overtime like crazy and today I had to attend a wedding. Anyway, not too much happened since last time I was here. Considering most of our investigators are debilitated I wasn't counting on any new info too much, but who knows, maybe we had other Trents around...

Anyway, given that we are unlikely to get more info and with our current information I would like to ask flub, books and Trent who would they lynch if the deadline was imminent.
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adaliabooks: What can you do?
Here's my suggestion
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dedoporno: .......... I would like to ask flub, books and Trent who would they lynch if the deadline was imminent.
Well I may have already stated something about this in post #1113, although it wasn't in light of an imminent deadline.
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dedoporno: Anyway, given that we are unlikely to get more info and with our current information I would like to ask flub, books and Trent who would they lynch if the deadline was imminent.
Well, as we three seem to be the prime suspects / targets I suppose the choice is between flub and trent (I'm hardly likely to vote myself) so of those two which would be my choice...
They both seem somewhat tied together, trent's claim went some way to saving flub yesterday (whether he would have got lynched or not without it I don't know) and flub did corroborate his visit. But trent could have been scum trying to ingratiate himself with a townie by clearing him... the only issue I see with trent being scum is that his role is similar to CSPVG's and it seems unlikely they would have been duplicated, unless there are two scum teams (but with no evidence of a second NK that seems somewhat unlikely) so I don't know what to think...
Then there is yog's money going missing... which does paint trent in a bad light as he is the only role claimed so far that could steal money...

Whereas flub is... flub...
His behaviour could be town or scum, he has been reluctant to claim (which again could be town or scum behaviour) and he was trying very hard to get yogs lynched... but it doesn't add up to a lot...

I'd say trent's my top pick at the moment, mainly for yog's missing money. I wonder if there is more to trent's role then he said and that he would steal his target's money no matter what action he performed (flavour cop or NK for example) and with Krypsyn out of the way he had to skip his cop action and make the kill last night...
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dedoporno: Anyway, given that we are unlikely to get more info and with our current information I would like to ask flub, books and Trent who would they lynch if the deadline was imminent.
I've been going over the thread and as of right now no one really stands out. I will not vote flub because I believe he is town from the items I found when I investigated him. I don't like the amount of inactivity we have had since this day has started from several people, but I am not a fan of lynching someone for lurking. My vote right now is on BlueMooner because I saw him on but not posting and was trying to prod him.

@adaliabooks, why are me, flub, and you the only options to look at for a lynch? Is there no one else on the table for a reason?

@Hijack, If BlueMooner is unable to play the game he should ask to be replaced. I have the utmost sympathy for him in his situation, it sucks big time. But if he can't commit to playing he needs to realize this and leave the game. The first game we were in we had a player who just stopped playing all together that we ignored and it cost Town the game. I don't want to see that happen again. So I'm sorry for what BlueMooner is going through, but he needs to either play or leave.
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cristigale: Mine was Vanilla Cream pie. The same otherwise.
This is the same as mine. - Vanilla Cream Pie and none when I woke up.
I have a question.

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mchack: snip for attention
Anything different in your pm from last night from the first night?
Sunday night vote count...
1 Flubbucket (Lifthrasil)
1 BlueMooner (Trentonlf)

There are 12 players left and it takes 7 votes to force someone off the island and 6 votes to No-Lynch.
Deadline is in 2 days, Tuesday September 29th Midnight EDT (UTC -4) [Wednesday Sept 30th at 4 am UTC]

Bagatha Chrustie reporting in again...
The weekend is almost over and hopefully the house will start paying attention again.
Tomorrow should be a busy day.
Stay tuned!
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RWarehall: McHack, you are free from your restriction. Please avoid editing in the future, or else! [evil observer grins]
YEAH!. thanks. aaah, feels much better not having google mutilate my sentences anymore, but then again now I'm responsibe for all the grammer mistakes myself again. oh well...

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Sage103082: Anything different in your pm from last night from the first night?
I've rechecked, but both are only about how I dream of deaths and then wake up. Only difference is the Banana Cream Pie in the second one.
Anything different for yours? aka why do you ask?

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trentonlf: @adaliabooks, why are me, flub, and you the only options to look at for a lynch? Is there no one else on the table for a reason?
good question. I also don't see why it has to be one of you three today. It makes sense, in that each of you could be scum, but so could HSL or Sage or Bluemooner or Cristigale.

As for the others (jmich, dedo, lift, hijack and myself) I don't really see how any of us could be scum. jmich and lift could maybe be scum but would have played very different from the two scum we already have lynched. I mean how can lift suddenly get it on day one but neither of cspvg or krypsyn do. So I don't see that as possible. They would've discussed it in scum chat at night one if lift were scum. So I won't vote for him before the more likely targets have flipped. Same goes for jmich since he got it from the beginning. But it's a shame he doesn't contribute more...

That leaves flubs, trent, adalia, hsl, sage, bluemooner and cristigale. seven players... and we probably won't get scum this time around since we already got lucky twice and there's not as much to go on as in the first two days. I'll wait to make my choice until dedo says his bit... but I think I'd rather go for someone lurky as it would really be a shame if only the lurkers survive till endgame... makes for one boring end of the game ;)

Also as for adiala, I'd like to point out once more, that I find it weird that two scum were pushing for his lynch on day 1 if he really is scum.

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HypersomniacLive: adaliabooks’s D1 wagon

Krypsyn (post #268)
CSPVG (post #321)
C̶S̶P̶V̶G̶ (post #402)
JMich (post #465)
K̶r̶y̶p̶s̶y̶n (post #520)
Krypsyn (post #525)
HijacK (post #572)
Krypsyn (post #664)
K̶r̶y̶p̶s̶y̶n (post #669)
In the light of that, HSL does look a little scummy for trying so aswell. But then again adalia did do one quite bad wagon analysis coming to a very strange conclusion and also didn't vote for krypsyn.
Although, on the other hand HSL also didn't vote for Krypsyn yesterday! What was up with that btw? I know you said later you intended to hammer, but you didn't. And that could easily have been you gambling on maybe the deadline hitting before krypsyn get's lynched. It was pretty close...

As for the Trent & Flubs corrobation, I can see both being either scum or town and don't really have a way of determining which it is, but the money really is an interesting thing to think about. It does seem to have some kind of weight in the game. Rwarehall even updated his post 2 to reflect the money situation of all the flips we had so far.
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trentonlf: I've been going over the thread and as of right now no one really stands out. I will not vote flub because I believe he is town from the items I found when I investigated him. I don't like the amount of inactivity we have had since this day has started from several people, but I am not a fan of lynching someone for lurking. My vote right now is on BlueMooner because I saw him on but not posting and was trying to prod him.
Yeah, that doesn't answer what I asked at all. I'm not asking who you are not going to vote for today neither who your current vote is on and why if that's just a prod vote. I'm asking who would you lynch (image you have the power to do so single-handedly) right now if deadline was minutes away. I hope I made enough sense this time around so we don't waste too much time with the same question again :)


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flubbucket: Well I may have already stated something about this in post #1113, although it wasn't in light of an imminent deadline.
Yes, I thought so, I just wanted to make sure.
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trentonlf: I've been going over the thread and as of right now no one really stands out. I will not vote flub because I believe he is town from the items I found when I investigated him. I don't like the amount of inactivity we have had since this day has started from several people, but I am not a fan of lynching someone for lurking. My vote right now is on BlueMooner because I saw him on but not posting and was trying to prod him.
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dedoporno: Yeah, that doesn't answer what I asked at all. I'm not asking who you are not going to vote for today neither who your current vote is on and why if that's just a prod vote. I'm asking who would you lynch (image you have the power to do so single-handedly) right now if deadline was minutes away. I hope I made enough sense this time around so we don't waste too much time with the same question again :)

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flubbucket: Well I may have already stated something about this in post #1113, although it wasn't in light of an imminent deadline.
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dedoporno: Yes, I thought so, I just wanted to make sure.
The only people I would feel comfortable lynching today would be adaliabooks or lift with adaliabooks being first. Basing this on the reasons I was investigating him last night, and now he is trying to say I could not investigate anyone last night because I was doing the NK yet I somehow stole the money. I've already gone over what I did last night and what happened, I'm not sure how yogs had his money taken but it was not me.
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flubbucket: I will be obvious....IF you've actually found them.
And I continue to find them. You'd be obvious if you weren't almost hostile towards everyone, and if it wasn't for that one element that can be read either way. Tell me, does your conscience ever trouble you?



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adaliabooks: Well, we already saw them skip him as a target N1, they may have thought it better to eliminate the role that can unrestrict more town power roles and block yogs again last night (or take the risk that mchack had unrestricted someone else and leave yogs completely alone). Either target was a strong choice for scum.

Well it's only a mislynch because I'm town. If I was scum then he wouldn't be mislynching me...

No, probably not.
*shrugs*
What can you do?
Going after mchack doesn't have the immediate benefit that eliminating the Town Cop has:
- there's a backup in play that would take over the very next Day, and
- every unrestricted role is a potential threat to scum only a Night later.

And if trentonlf is to be believed, scum can (re)restrict any role.

Though I'm not sure if I buy that - with town having a restriction lifter and a backup, and scum having a restriction imposer, we could get caught up in an endless loop with town unrestricting roles and scum restricting them back; add a NK and possible mislynches, and we are faced with a scum advantage that town would have a really hard time eliminating, if at all.


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adaliabooks: [...] and with Krypsyn out of the way he had to skip his cop action and make the kill last night...
Does this mean that you assume that there's only one scum left?



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mchack: [...]

In the light of that, HSL does look a little scummy for trying so aswell. But then again adalia did do one quite bad wagon analysis coming to a very strange conclusion and also didn't vote for krypsyn.
Although, on the other hand HSL also didn't vote for Krypsyn yesterday! What was up with that btw? I know you said later you intended to hammer, but you didn't. And that could easily have been you gambling on maybe the deadline hitting before krypsyn get's lynched. It was pretty close...

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Not sure what "trying so as well" refers to - do you mean that I pushed for adaliabooks lynch? When did I do that and in what way? You did say that you find my play annoying and (occasionally) wrong, but if your game is "questioning always equates pushing for a lynch", it isn't mine; you'd know it if you had read a game I've played in.

As for the deadline on Krypsyn's lynch and me easily gambling on it - it was far from "pretty close". You bid us goodnight (post #1038) with more than 5hrs left till deadline (post #1045). With six players besides myself not having placed a vote, and it being day-time for five of them, that was a pretty long time to hope that the deadline would hit before he got lynched, don't you think? What happened is that flubbucket and cristigale voted him seconds apart, so there was really no point in adding my vote after that; I'm pretty sure that you'd have found that also suspicious.

Of course you're free to believe me or not. If you think that you've figured me out and that I'm scum, then you should vote me, and convince others to do the same.

Something that you might want to think about is who else didn't vote Krypsyn and why, and if all that did are town or not.



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trentonlf: [...]

@Hijack, If BlueMooner is unable to play the game he should ask to be replaced. I have the utmost sympathy for him in his situation, it sucks big time. But if he can't commit to playing he needs to realize this and leave the game. The first game we were in we had a player who just stopped playing all together that we ignored and it cost Town the game. I don't want to see that happen again. So I'm sorry for what BlueMooner is going through, but he needs to either play or leave.
So, BlueMooner has to realise that and leave the game, but if you pop in once in a blue moon without actually contributing is not a reason to realise that and leave the game? With all due respect, you're displaying a good chunk of bias here, and I wonder if you're covering for your scum buddy, or just letting your personal feelings get the better of you.
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flubbucket: I will be obvious....IF you've actually found them.
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HypersomniacLive: And I continue to find them. You'd be obvious if you weren't almost hostile towards everyone, and if it wasn't for that one element that can be read either way. Tell me, does your conscience ever trouble you?
Hostile....moi???

And to answer your question, yes.

It's the reason I don't do what I should do.
Monday noon vote count...
1 Flubbucket (Lifthrasil)
1 BlueMooner (Trentonlf)

There are 12 players left and it takes 7 votes to force someone off the island and 6 votes to No-Lynch.
Deadline is in 36 hours, Tuesday September 29th Midnight EDT (UTC -4) [Wednesday Sept 30th at 4 am UTC]

Bagatha Chrustie reporting in again...
If you weren't watching today...
You didn't miss anything...
The ratings better pick up if I want to have a job next year...
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flubbucket: I will be obvious....IF you've actually found them.
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HypersomniacLive: And I continue to find them. You'd be obvious if you weren't almost hostile towards everyone, and if it wasn't for that one element that can be read either way. Tell me, does your conscience ever trouble you?
Argh, this really makes me feel inadequate, but sure go on like that, I'll just continue to read the game and someday I hope I'll get what the two of you are going on about...

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adaliabooks: Well, we already saw them skip him as a target N1, they may have thought it better to eliminate the role that can unrestrict more town power roles and block yogs again last night (or take the risk that mchack had unrestricted someone else and leave yogs completely alone). Either target was a strong choice for scum.

Well it's only a mislynch because I'm town. If I was scum then he wouldn't be mislynching me...

No, probably not.
*shrugs*
What can you do?
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HypersomniacLive: Going after mchack doesn't have the immediate benefit that eliminating the Town Cop has:
- there's a backup in play that would take over the very next Day, and
- every unrestricted role is a potential threat to scum only a Night later.

And if trentonlf is to be believed, scum can (re)restrict any role.

Though I'm not sure if I buy that - with town having a restriction lifter and a backup, and scum having a restriction imposer, we could get caught up in an endless loop with town unrestricting roles and scum restricting them back; add a NK and possible mislynches, and we are faced with a scum advantage that town would have a really hard time eliminating, if at all.
I've thought about that aswell, and that's the reason I won't make any indication of whom I'm going to unrestrict today...
Still, I also have a hard time believing in trentonlf being restricted (still believe if anything it was a roleblock) since that way scum could restrict one person and nightkill another each night and town would always be one step behind.

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mchack: [...]

In the light of that, HSL does look a little scummy for trying so aswell. But then again adalia did do one quite bad wagon analysis coming to a very strange conclusion and also didn't vote for krypsyn.
Although, on the other hand HSL also didn't vote for Krypsyn yesterday! What was up with that btw? I know you said later you intended to hammer, but you didn't. And that could easily have been you gambling on maybe the deadline hitting before krypsyn get's lynched. It was pretty close...

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HypersomniacLive: Not sure what "trying so as well" refers to - do you mean that I pushed for adaliabooks lynch? When did I do that and in what way? You did say that you find my play annoying and (occasionally) wrong, but if your game is "questioning always equates pushing for a lynch", it isn't mine; you'd know it if you had read a game I've played in.
It's true on both cases, you haven't gone so far as to vote (but then again you don't seem to do that readily anyway) and I didn't read a game with you in it yet. (But I will :D and I'm already looking forward to it)
It's just that the questions you ask, aren't as intense for each of the players. And especially with adaliabooks I feel, you really want to paint him in a bad light, most of the time:

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HypersomniacLive: ... Almost sounds like you're trying a bit too hard here. ... do you think that the reasons you've given put you in a more favourable light?
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HypersomniacLive: ...So, now that we're back, care to explain what that was? A joke, you'll say? ...
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HypersomniacLive: ...but caught up testing Adalia Fundamentals..
that's a joke sorry ... but there's more
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HypersomniacLive: Gee, that's encouraging. But could come handy when I'm scum. Or I should perhaps just follow your lead. "wink wink*
Ookay on reareading everything you said concerning adaliabooks, I have to rudder back on that one.
Sorry that wasn't fair. I don't think anymore, that you were questioning adalia more than other people...
To be clear, what I said above the quotes I feel is not true anymore. HSL isn't trying to paint adalia in any colour!

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HypersomniacLive: As for the deadline on Krypsyn's lynch and me easily gambling on it - it was far from "pretty close". You bid us goodnight (post #1038) with more than 5hrs left till deadline (post #1045). With six players besides myself not having placed a vote, and it being day-time for five of them, that was a pretty long time to hope that the deadline would hit before he got lynched, don't you think? What happened is that flubbucket and cristigale voted him seconds apart, so there was really no point in adding my vote after that; I'm pretty sure that you'd have found that also suspicious.
yes that's as I remember it, too. But I can't remember when flubs and cristigales votes came. I thought they were nearer the deadline than 5 hours (more like 2 hours, maybe?), but if they did their votes right after me logging off, then I also have to apologize for that one. :/ sorry.

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HypersomniacLive: Of course you're free to believe me or not. If you think that you've figured me out and that I'm scum, then you should vote me, and convince others to do the same.
not convinced on you or most others in the game, yet. It's just the tunnel vision, you've been on about. Everyone seems to take you as obvitown, although you never actually let anything slip about yourself in game (not that I saw at least, but that doesn't mean much ;) And trying to think ahead who the next lynches might be you're not anywhere near threatened, although you're not townie in the way Hijack for example is for me. So I try to look closer on what you write and It made me suspicous at times. But then again, what I've found so far isn't enough to get me to vote for you...

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trentonlf: [...]

@Hijack, If BlueMooner is unable to play the game he should ask to be replaced. I have the utmost sympathy for him in his situation, it sucks big time. But if he can't commit to playing he needs to realize this and leave the game. The first game we were in we had a player who just stopped playing all together that we ignored and it cost Town the game. I don't want to see that happen again. So I'm sorry for what BlueMooner is going through, but he needs to either play or leave.
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HypersomniacLive: So, BlueMooner has to realise that and leave the game, but if you pop in once in a blue moon without actually contributing is not a reason to realise that and leave the game? With all due respect, you're displaying a good chunk of bias here, and I wonder if you're covering for your scum buddy, or just letting your personal feelings get the better of you.
Sorry, I don't get it ... who's covering whom now? you reply to trent but I don't see him covering bluemooner at all, quite the opposite!
or did you mean Hijack? then that would be suspicious for you to say, because there's just no way in hell hijack could've made the spot on claim he did on day one when he was scum. He even got the role name right (Self-Help Guru) and rwarehall told me that he invented that role for this game. it's just not concievable for hijack to be scum.
So who did you talk to?