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JClosed: Well - At least I think it's funny. I have nothing with religion and all that kind of fairy tales, but I can see the humor behind it. Looks like I will buy this game, just for fun...
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P. Zimerickus: I will pray for thee g' ol' sou'll
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viperfdl: How about 451?
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P. Zimerickus: what'sup with that?
That's the infamous code to open the first door in System Shock. Also reused in Deus Ex's first locked door.
the "will it run doom?" boxed edition of doom + doom II will also be 666.66 dollars.

https://limitedrungames.com/collections/all-games/products/doom-doom-ii-will-it-run-edition-switch-ps5-xbox-pc
Post edited April 16, 2025 by Lord_Kane
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P. Zimerickus: GoG!?!? Like seriously?? 666!!!!

I like to play a game not to invite the dark lord into my study...., please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM&ab_channel=IronMaiden (don't click on this link...you have been warned)
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JClosed: Does the name Ray Bradbury and the novell Farenheit 451 rings a bell?
I couldn't read that, since I never read the earlier books, and the prospect of reading Fahrenheit 1 through 450 was really intimidating. These book series have just got way out of hand if you ask me.
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JClosed: Does the name Ray Bradbury and the novell Farenheit 451 rings a bell?
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eric5h5: I couldn't read that, since I never read the earlier books, and the prospect of reading Fahrenheit 1 through 450 was really intimidating. These book series have just got way out of hand if you ask me.
Like certain animes, many of them are simply filler and can be skipped. The general consensus is that the beginning and ending of new arcs must be read; 0-2 (0 being the prologue), 30-33, and 211-213. 42, 68, 98, and 450 are also recommended, but not essential. Most of the gaps are lulling around waiting for a phase change.
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JClosed: Does the name Ray Bradbury and the novell Farenheit 451 rings a bell?
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eric5h5: I couldn't read that, since I never read the earlier books, and the prospect of reading Fahrenheit 1 through 450 was really intimidating. These book series have just got way out of hand if you ask me.
LOL - You got me here.

But the novell itself is a very dystopian tale about book burning (Farenheit 451 is the temperature paper ignite) and making knowledge illegal. Seeing what is happening, especially in Bible belt area's in the US, makes it even a more oppressive tale to read. It's chilling to be honest...
Other than the slightly greater presence of borderline-incoherent and/or "differently sane" posters, this thread reminds me of the GOG forums of yesteryear. :)

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BenKii: That's the infamous code to open the first door in System Shock. Also reused in Deus Ex's first locked door.
What makes you say it's "infamous", as opposed to "famous"? Is there something particularly negative that that number is associated with?
Hmm, so if someone buys this with the unholy currency of the earth it would call upon the antichrist to unleash the four horsmen of the apocalyps and initiate the end of times.

Bought!
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SultanOfSuave: Like certain animes, many of them are simply filler and can be skipped. The general consensus is that the beginning and ending of new arcs must be read; 0-2 (0 being the prologue), 30-33, and 211-213. 42, 68, 98, and 450 are also recommended, but not essential. Most of the gaps are lulling around waiting for a phase change.
That's very helpful, but upon further consideration, I think I'll wait for Fahrenheit 666 and read just that one.
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BenKii: That's the infamous code to open the first door in System Shock. Also reused in Deus Ex's first locked door.
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HunchBluntley: What makes you say it's "infamous", as opposed to "famous"? Is there something particularly negative that that number is associated with?
Ya know, this entire time I thought infamous just meant "more famous" than "regular famous". And I even played Infamous for PS3 so I should've known that! Whoopsee. :O

So no, 451 isn't negative at all.
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BenKii: Ya know, this entire time I thought infamous just meant "more famous" than "regular famous".
TIL BenKii is actually Ned Nederlander.
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Strijkbout: Hmm, so if someone buys this with the unholy currency of the earth it would call upon the antichrist to unleash the four horsmen of the apocalyps and initiate the end of times.

Bought!
Pretty sure it just means another duff theme pub opens in your area tbh.
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amok: 616 and 666 are both accepted, it depends on the translation you're using. 666 is also not a modern construct. The myth is that it was made for the Omen films, because the way it looks, but this is not correct - it is quite old.

The number appears in the Book of Revelation, but the variation comes down to differences in manuscripts and translations. The number is a form of gematria (a system where letters have numerical values) for either Nero Caesar (Latin form) or Neron Caesar (Hebrew form). The Latin form gives you 666, while the Hebrew form gives you 616. What you are most probably referring to, is that the oldest known manuscript uses 616. That said, later translated versions, especially those in Latin, typically use 666.

(And as we all know, The Book of Revelation is widely interpreted as a political allegory, where The Beast is thought to be a reference to Emperor Nero.)
You point out some interesting things about the commonly known 'Number of the Beast' which shows to me that you had or have contact with some kind of academic level theology or just researched it by yourself, which makes it even more interesting to me to discuss this topic here.

So please, allow me to give my point of view of why the interpretation that Nero is the one to whom the number refer to, written by John in Revelation, is incorrect.

Although there are in fact some oldest manuscripts pointing out to the number being '616', that doesn't necessarily mean that it was what was intended to be written originally or the most accepted text back then, only that this variation existed and was further used by copyists on some occasions. As with everything that is old, and you clearly know that, interpretation is really hard and hard based on evidence, simply because most of the first and second order documents are lost to time.

I'm bringing this information here because when it comes to theology, interpretation and doctrinal meaning we don't just take to account the oldest document, but specifically about Bible interpretation (Exegesis), we also take on account how much copied versions we have access to. This is a way to validate how much the early Christians used that copy or a way to check how much they've copied it to be read and sent to other Christians wherever they were.

So to the evidence, I have some quotes:

Here:
https://www.jdavidstark.com/irenaeus-on-666-and-616/

and here (those are so old that they've http only, so the page is marked as insecure to modern browsers, but they're safe in my experience):
http://archive.csad.ox.ac.uk/POxy/beast616.htm
http://archive.csad.ox.ac.uk/POxy/numero.htm

And here a good christian theology discussion on the topic:
https://christianpure.com/learn/616-bible-meaning/

Therefore we can conclude that evidence of '616' being on some Revelation texts is true, but it wasn't the majority and that some of the so called "Church Fathers" argued against it.

Now to a more, lets say, subjective approach, which is my opinion and interpretation of the meaning based on what I studied personally:

To me its clear that the most accepted number for early Christians is 666 because most faithful translations based on quantity of copies of the manuscripts and most specifically the TR (Codex Textus Receptus) point to it as being 666, as far as I know.

Having that in mind, it also makes sense exegetically to me:

The '666' appear in other places of the Bible, both in literal number being written, as in 'meaning' behind what is literally written in the text. Here are some examples (all of which using the King James bible version):

Genesis 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(...)
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

2 Chronicles 9:
13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;

Daniel 12:
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel 7:
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 13:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months

Revelation 13:
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
To the explanation then:

By some of these texts above mentioned, we can see that the number 6 many times associated with: Power, Govern and Men (Humans, that is, 'Adam', the Hebrew word for human race and the first human) and the specific text of Revelation 13: 18 points out also to "Wisdom". Since Solomon biblically is known as the most knowledgeable and wise man, it also points out to him in the text of 2 Chronicles 9. Something that most people miss when trying to understand the meaning of biblical text its its overall context when dealing with meaning. There's no such thing as trying to understand a single text without trying to understand the whole picture and message of the books. This is most probably the cause for wrong interpretations of the texts.

In my view, the 666 not only means that it refer to power, men, govern and wisdom, but that all of this represents a Human Govern based on Power through Human Wisdom and Money (Gold) against God's and specifically the antithesis of Christ, the perfection of God manifested in flesh.
Thus, the Mark of the Beast represents a govern or human manifested in the perfect '6' in human form, against God's '7', which is biblically the number of plenitude or perfection, associated with God himself.

That would also mean that those that will accept his govern and therefore be 'marked' (won't discuss this here because it would be an even bigger post!), would also be humans with those principles and those that accept the principles that are antithesis to Christ's principles. Revelation deals a whole lot with this theme of Good vs Evil, Christ vs Antichrist, Church vs Babylon.

To further explain, in many texts we have the common old Hebrew costume of repeating words as a way to enforce a meaning. Since this text is huge enough, to summarize, a quick example:

Isaiah 6:
3b (...) Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Revelation 4:
8b (...) Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
This is a common behaviour in Hebrew written text to explain the importance of said word, in this case, how God is Holy, Perfect, "separated" from this world's sins and time constraints, that is, powerful above all.

And an old testament example:

Psalm 40:
1{To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.} I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.
In the original Hebrew (using Codex Textus Massoreticus as a base) David writes:

"I waited I waited", that is: H6960, H6960 (Strong numbers for the Strong dictionary), "qâvâh, qâvâh" but translators translated it as "I Waited Patiently", because it was common for them to repeat words when writing to enforce meaning. So what David meant here is: "I waited very much for the LORD, or on the LORD", which could mean that he waited for a long time or that he placed all his trust on the LORD while he waited to be answered.

Jesus also did that with the famous: "In truth, in truth I tell you..." in many texts of the Gospels to enforce that what He was saying was the Truth to those listening to Him and us reading it today.

All of this to explain that, in my view through what was explained, 666 is the three times equivalent of that through repetition to enforce meaning based on the wisdom of exegetical biblical interpretation. Of course I will not be able to exhaust all of this in a single forum post, but I hope this is a good summarization of my view on the topic which I enjoy very much. :)

And since we're also on April, month of the Pesach, a bonus:

Sean McDowell - Jesus Has Risen: The Evidence! (33:01 minutes duration)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c42t0OvNDSc

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Edtis:

Corrections, adding more information..
Post edited April 17, 2025 by .Keys
Oh FFS!
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Sachys: Oh FFS!
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ah, feeling a bit awkward now do we? There is no, no, reason whatsoever :p