trentonlf: UGH! Man I hate role discussion, on Day 1, even with a semi open setup like we have it grates on me. Roles are not what we need to focus on but people's behavior and actions. As for discussing roles bringing someone to the brink of a lynch and them claiming is how most Day's work, but the way you stated it is that you wanted to get multiple people close to lynch so they could claim and we choose the one that we feel is lying. With 14 people in the game the odds are you helping scum more than Town by doing that. The goal is not to get claims but to get scum to trip up and make mistakes.

trentonlf: Gym, you have grown as a player and I like this mindset as it is a very accurate description of how things often happen. I also agree that scum can use this against people that are set in certain ways, I've done it in that past myself as scum. If you're Town trying to figure out who is attempting to manipulate others is what should be your goal instead of trying to get people to claim.

I don't know if you're role fishing or just believe getting people to claim their roles is what's best, but I can't get behind role claiming it rubs me the wrong way.

Vote GymHenson

GymHenson: I meant more just getting even ONE player to claim, and in general I meant we should try to not waste time and have to rush at EOD....as we all saw how that played out in the last game.

All I want is for us to not muck around so we have enough time to spare & we can change course if need be, basically.

GymHenson: Thanks for the compliments.

Also make sure to read the above and also Post 299 as it seems you(and maybe others) have confused what I meant when I suggested to claim earlier.

trentonlf: I don't like your apology at the end of this post, it feels off. If you're Town you should never apologize to someone if you think they are scum as out goal is to find them and lynch them.

Pookina: 1. Scum may make decent claims, obfuscating their tracks. AFAIK this is a closed setup with some ideas thrown here and there in the signup thread.
2. Since it's a closed setup, we can't just massclaim to crack the mystery like you would in a semi-open system.

Pookina: 3. Scum. Get. To. Know. Everyone.

GymHenson: If so, how is getting players to claim range so we can make a more informed choice for lynch a bad idea(overall and also compared waiting until EOD and rushing to get a lynch though same as always)?

ZFR: I explained twice why getting people to claim on D1 is a bad idea. Why do you keep asking the question if you're just going to ignore the answer?

ZFR: Claiming early is bad.

Hunter65536: Correct me if I got it wrong but it seems like your main issue with GH are
- Seemingly opportunistic vote on blotunga
- Proposed claims on day 1

Am I missing something here?

Hunter65536: If GH is scum, do you think he would risk going against what's generally considered kosher here? (wrt claims)

Engerek01: I guess not knowing the previous games does have its advantages. I can see everyone from above, from an unbiased, naive perspective.

GymHenson: (Btw as said to others: I was not asking for nor suggesting a mass claim...

ZFR: (Except for him it wouldn't be "risk". The concept is alien to him)

ZFR: I. Know. That. Already.
And I've already replid: Any claims are bad on D1. Going for a single claim is bad. You're just giving scum more info.

GymHenson: Hey I thought we were all still in the random voting period of silliness? Not doing that anymore then? Okey dokey then.

(Jokes aside, I am willing to vote near anyone but the three newcomers Engerek-Hunter-Bucktooth[wanna give them the D1 pass as per tradition]...and the sooner we get someone to claim so we can see if it's a viable lynch choice, the better. As such, I likely will cast a vote for the highest wagon sometime today, and then pray we can get them to claim range....and not procrastinate to get claims till EOD every "day" like last game)

GymHenson: There's little to go on atm(for me to pick up on, at least) and we need to get people to claim range at some point.....or would you rather we all sit with our fingers up our collective posteriors until 24 hours(or even 12 hours) before deadline & scramble to lynch someone each "day" like last game?

GymHenson: Imo it'd be more a scum move than a town one.

I mean why would a town want people to dither around till the last minute and risk a possible mislynch due to EOD voting scramble?

That said, i'll stick to this wagon as we need to get people to claim and wagon hopping won't help with that.

GymHenson: Problem is if we wait until a "good"(to you or anyone) case is presented to start building wagons...especially on D1.....time will likely be in short supply if we need to change course.

I say (on D1 at the very least) get people to claim range and then pick the most viable lynch candidate.

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GymHenson: Thanks for the correction....I will add hunter to the "would lynch D1" pile then.

GymHenson: As I sorta said above/before....if we wait on D1 until we have a case to start building wagons, we might end up scrambling at EOD.

To avoid this, imo we should try to get someone to claim range and then decide if they're a viable lynch choice or not. On D1 we have little to go on usually, so one player is near as good as any other.

(Well beyond the newcomers who i'm giving the usual D1 slack)

GymHenson: Suspect who you want.

That said, should we suspect anyone who builds ANY wagon before the 24 hour mark before EOD or what?

GymHenson: And? Why not take a risk and hope for a reward?

GymHenson: You mean the wanting to get people to claim range on wagons so they claim early and we can have more time to pick the right lynch candidate?

The same thing i've done in several other games before this?

ZFR: Of course I'd lynch anyone I think is scum without hesitating; that's why I voted him. The apology is to blotunga the person, not blotunga the player. He was lynched early last game too.

Like you apologised post-game for NKing me last time you were scum. You'd still do it of course if it's in the best interest of your win-condition, but you apologised to the person who keeps getting NKed early.

GymHenson: 1. Wrong, actually...per the OP post:

"This is a semi-open role madness game. It may contain some non-standard roles in addition to normal roles. Some normal roles may also be modified. A discussion of possible non-standard roles can be found in the signup thread."

2. I wasn't suggesting or asking for a mass claim....just that we get a player to claim early enough so we can decide if theyre viable or not with enough time to spare...unlike last game.

GymHenson: Which is why we need every advantage we can get, and why we need to not waste time like last game.

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@Trent-Post 302: Tbh I have very little to go on atm....so i'm ok with near anyone(obviously want to give the newbies a pass from lynch for the "day", but I am not too opposed to getting them to at least claim as they could be scum as well).

If I had to pick specific players:

ZFR has been focusing on me an awful lot as of late, but that is likely them tunneling...though wouldn't be opposed to getting them to claim.

Any of the ones who seemingly didn't read the OP post also pique my interest a bit as well.

Other than that I have next to nothing atm.

flubbucket: So did you think we were still in the "random voting period" or not??

flubbucket: Fearmongering.

More fearmongering

Even more fearmongering

Even moarer.....my point is made.

ZFR: There is no reward in getting claims. We either give info to scum or get false info from scum. Lose-lose.

ZFR: Yes, exactly. The same thing you've done in several other games. You sticking to the same "mold". How about you trying something different for a change? Don't worry if it doesn't work out, there is no gold trophy on the line.