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Hunter65536: So we have GH to be confirmed by trent, ZFR with infection and Blot ended up confirming Flub was being taken by Vitek. Interesting, I would like to have seen shelterer at play.
But is flub confirmed? We only have his word on that as Vitek cannot confirm it.

Also even if they were jailed...they could still be scum.

(Of course there's still a chance Flub and/or Blot could also be town as telling the truth as well)

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Hunter65536: Blot's confirmation seemed like it came out of nowhere unsolicited especially after his exchange with GH.
The weird thing for me was Blot's posts AFTER I had suggested dropping the usernames of the senders.....he seemed to be suggesting that it was only possible/probable for town PR's to have used the courier service for claims, and that it was a bad idea to out the sender names(which is all I have besides the one recipient's name) as it might give scum more info(though he seems to have inferred later on that he was doing this to subtly dissuade me from outing town!him and his PR).

Thing is, he could've easily just said something like "that might give scum more info, I don't think it's a good idea" if he is town and wanted to dissuade me from dropping the other sender names.

By stating/suggesting that claims were attempted to be made via message by some players(like himself), he planted the idea in the heads of scum that that was a possibility for some of them...thus possibly painting targets on their backs needlessly.

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Hunter65536: Btw work kept me up last night so I am feeling groggy despite it being only evening here. Will be active tomorrow, excuse me for today.
Get some sleep....we have time for you to post and give us your thoughts.
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ZFR: I get all this. There is a good argument that what you did is the right thing (had you chosen a Mafia they NK you and NK someone else) so you had to weigh the fors and against.

I'm just finding it hard to believe that the same person who did these coolheaded calculations about his role is the same one who was so frustrated that he wrote "you all suck" twice, second time in bold.

If I were this person doing the weighing who felt so passionately about it, then "but it's so cool I want to use it" would have been prominently put in the "for" column.
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trentonlf: Since I had to reveal my role to me the smarter option was to wait and if I lived use my role on night 2....
But you were so sure you'd be killed on N1...

I have a question for you: Do you think Lift gave the scum team safe claims?
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JoeSapphire: Oh, coward is listed as Town role.

Are their friendly supermutants in fallout?
Yes Marcus
Not a coward though. And also a bit queer because Veronica is somewhat close to the shelterer role.
Katja was also a companion, like Marcus and Veronica.
Actually the only one of the names out there which never was a companion is Fisto who's a sex bot. So maybe there is merit in the fake-claims theory. I wonder if mass name-claims would break the game at this point.
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blotunga: After my exchange with him I think any idiot would figure out that I have some role at least. And flub has no other way of proving it, but I can corroborate his story because I did try to target him and he wasn't there.
This makes me curious on something:

@Flub: Are you male or female?

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blotunga: And no I won't share anything more about my role.
If it is what I think it is, I know what it is....and it's likely if a slow brain like me can figure it out then so can scum.

(Of course, not asking you for more info....just wanted to muse/state such)
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ZFR: But you were so sure you'd be killed on N1...

I have a question for you: Do you think Lift gave the scum team safe claims?
That was why I was so frustrated, thought I would die N1 and wouldn't even get to use my power. I win if Town wins so me not using my power was the better option IMO since I was unsure who to use it on.

I don't know about safe claims, it's not something I would do. Mafia always have the advantage starting out and a safe claim would be a big swing in their favor that could potentially be to powerful.
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GymHenson: This makes me curious on something:
@Flub: Are you male or female?
If it is what I think it is, I know what it is....and it's likely if a slow brain like me can figure it out then so can scum.
(Of course, not asking you for more info....just wanted to muse/state such)
Oh I'm pretty sure I'm going to die tonight (thanks for that), I just don't want to expose everything.
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trentonlf: I don't know about safe claims, it's not something I would do. Mafia always have the advantage starting out and a safe claim would be a big swing in their favor that could potentially be to powerful.
what if they were given something it would be impossible for them to confirm?



like mr handy?
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JoeSapphire: Are you Town or Neutral?
Did you not read much of the signup either....coward is a possible town role. :)

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JoeSapphire: But if you had been killed in the night it would have saved you from being lynched by us today so... not too big a loss I'd have thought
That's if Trent gets lynched....i'm not so convinced he's scum atm, so I won't be voting him unless someone makes a good case for it.
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JoeSapphire: what if they were given something it would be impossible for them to confirm?



like mr handy?
How is Mr. Handy impossible to confirm? If I know someone has the ability to have a night action and I use my power on them then it's confirmed. Or are you saying impossible for Mafia to confirm as they don't have the actual power and can't use it on someone?
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JoeSapphire: Oh, coward is listed as Town role.

Are their friendly supermutants in fallout?
Oh, just saw you found out the role is town(should've read more ahead than I did).

Dunno, but I am friendly non-human as well(though not mutant).

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JoeSapphire: no, I'd rather lynch scum

vote Trentonlf

(I know I already voted him but the drama was too much to resist)
So you'd be willing to risk a heavy hitting PR(if used on a town)? That's how sure you are atm?
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trentonlf: Or are you saying impossible for Mafia to confirm as they don't have the actual power and can't use it on someone?
I think this. Still the discussion is moot until other people show up and say stuff.

I also believe bucktoothgamer is town and what he claims to be. Funny that scum wanted to kill him and offed insted vitek.
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blotunga: So maybe there is merit in the fake-claims theory. I wonder if mass name-claims would break the game at this point.
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhat?!?

So you go from not wanting to give scum more info, to subtly tossing out the idea of a mass name claim? o.0

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blotunga: Oh I'm pretty sure I'm going to die tonight (thanks for that), I just don't want to expose everything.
If you think you're going to be the NK...then why hide anything?

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blotunga: I also believe bucktoothgamer is town and what he claims to be. Funny that scum wanted to kill him and offed insted vitek.
Read what he posted and also the role info.....either he or Vitek could've been the target, if Buck's claim is genuine....not just Buck.
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trentonlf: Or are you saying impossible for Mafia to confirm as they don't have the actual power and can't use it on someone?
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blotunga: I think this. Still the discussion is moot until other people show up and say stuff.

I also believe bucktoothgamer is town and what he claims to be. Funny that scum wanted to kill him and offed insted vitek.
How do you know scum wanted to kill bucktoothgamer?
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JoeSapphire: what if they were given something it would be impossible for them to confirm?

like mr handy?
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trentonlf: How is Mr. Handy impossible to confirm? If I know someone has the ability to have a night action and I use my power on them then it's confirmed. Or are you saying impossible for Mafia to confirm as they don't have the actual power and can't use it on someone?
Yes, that is what I'm saying. Hadn't you considered that before?
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trentonlf: How do you know scum wanted to kill bucktoothgamer?
Well, scum could've targeted directly vitek too, but I think his claim is correct.