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I use GNU/Linux because:

1. I can edit mostly(*) any part of the system to suit my need/preferences.

2. It runs updates only when I tell it I want a update.

3. It runs a lot faster and uses less memory(ram & storage).

4. It by design is more secure than Windows.

5. It runs nearly all of my old games and runs about half of the new games(half the games I play anyway).

6. It allowed me when I was younger to build a affordable computer; A Windows(XP?) license would have almost been 40%-50% of my build price at the time.

7. It teaches me new things all the time; problems happen (on any OS) but I learn so much more when it happens on GNU/Linux.

8. It is getting more features and more backwards compatibility(like wine dxvk) that Windows is becoming more irrelevant by the day(for me).

There's a lot more reasons but I have to say these last 14~ years of using it I haven't had doubt what is going to be my primary operating system.

Also I'll say this - if The Witcher 3 had been released on GNU/Linux like it was suppose to I would have never defiled my system with Windows 10; it's a cancer but a cancer that allowed me to play The Witcher 3.

Please GOG release a Linux Version of Cyberpunk 2077 or at the very least a wine friendly version of it at launch!
I use Linux to run my web server. It's a shard I'm leasing from a hosting company, and it conveniently allows me to install any sort of software, organize my files, set up my shell, etc. I can always SSH into it and work on it as if it was a local machine.

I use Windows for my home computer. It's a powerful gaming rig, but I also program on it. As a personal (non-shared) machine it's very convenient and has not had a single problem since I built it 2 years ago.

I use MacOS on my work laptop. I hate it with every fiber of my being. The underlying BSD is fine, but everything that Apple had touched with their dirty hands is a disaster and a war crime.
Post edited June 29, 2018 by Alaric.us
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Magmarock: The code is private. I can link you to the patches but that's about it.
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xyem: There's the answer to your question then.
Why do you care. You think I cared. I payed the guy to make patches to fix the game and they worked. I don't care if the text docs aren't publicly available. Source code is a commodity and a rather expensive one at that. It's not something you're entitled to. Linux fanboys don't seem to get that.
I use Linux because it's gratis, the hardware support is decent enough, and I can run some old games under Wine.

Can't say I like it much, but what choice do I have.
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Lin545: You are too much of yourself, I didn't assume you are an expert - I assumed you at least spent fair amount of time dedicated to one ecosystem to understand it. But everything points out that you didn't - you even claim that its Windows advantage that there is no Witcher 3 for Linux.
Witcher 3 is such an unplayable mess on Linux that it might as well not be there. This is one of the weakest arguments. You could’ve at least said something like “in time, Linux will get more popular and easier to use. With offline pacakges like APK and exe to install all your favourite games and drivers” is what you could’ve said. :P Too late now.
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Lin545: You also seem to be kind of guy who would accuse an old woman to be old, poke her eye out and proudly present it to your friends of similar mentality.
XDDD That is the funniest god damn thing I’ve read in my life


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Lin545: I don't see any constructiveness from you
Yeah, there’s a reason for that. Most of my attempts and making solutions for Linux fell of deaf ears. You guys really don’t like it when people try to make this easier. Look how the community treats the guys behind Mint and Ubuntu for example. They’ve done more for the community then anyone else and everyone hates them. Who would want to be in their situation.
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Lin545: The criticism should be properly formatted and hosted on bug tracker. This isn't a bug tracker.
My criticism is based on it’s design not it’s bugs.

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Lin545: I must disagree with your theory of being noob, before switching to Linux I contributed to Nlite and RyanVM projects, did unattended silent installers, automatic registry monitors, inf scripting - but then Vista came out and I had to break my 20 year long ties with MS products.
My current setup suits me well, it does what its supposed to, doesn't upgrade to "surprise" state and I have no unsolvable problems. Thank you very much for you concern.
What, I’m not calling you a noob critics like me are labelled as noobs. Whenever someones criticise the or tries to improve it; their efforts are dismissed as noobish. Case and point. “Mint is for noobs” thus saith the Gentoo fanboys.

Also there’s NT-Lite now which is better and DISM which is harder to use but far more powerful.

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Lin545: Well, you are true here. All the cleaning agents tend to be extremely toxic, but they do work. But they are never used without reason, I assure you. So, the better fit question is - why is everyone around you suddenly a bleach and if there is a better way to return to productive state?
Not sure what you mean by bleach. I defiantly could’ve written my first thread with a less rantish vibe. I will do that in the future. That being said, I can’t say I’m upset at the results. All the wiled behaviour from the Linux community has proven to be quite interesting. There were a few sensible comments, but I didn’t have anything to say to them because, well they were sensible.
..nobody cares, but then again I don't care because you couldn't walk 5 meters today without using linux and I can leave people in their blissful ignorance and don't need to prove anything.
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Magmarock: Source code is a commodity and a rather expensive one at that. It's not something you're entitled to. Linux fanboys don't seem to get that.
Did I say I am entitled to it?

But having it available is an advantage and you asked me what the advantage of Linux was.
Because I leik ma shell
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Magmarock: Source code is a commodity and a rather expensive one at that. It's not something you're entitled to. Linux fanboys don't seem to get that.
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xyem: Did I say I am entitled to it?

But having it available is an advantage and you asked me what the advantage of Linux was.
I... don't think it is. Like I said source code is a commodity and will always be worth more then the software produced with it. Closed source software is needed for a sustained industry. It's the trade secrets of a production company and while open source can make some money it won't make anywhere near as much as closed source. This is why smaller programs benefit from open source production and others (like an entire operating system) need to be closed off. If Linux ever becomes mainstream for the Desktop, it won't happen the way mot Linux people would like. It would take over in the same way it did for phones. Under the control of a major corporation, with tight control over how things are made for it. I just don't see how an open source and free OS could ever take off. Not only that I think it would be a bad idea. You'd end up with a anarchist echo system and software development needs rules and consistency. What ever kernel you're using Linux or otherwise, it must conform to these rules for sustained success, consistency and compatibility.


In regards to saying that you're entitled I apologize. I get a very communist vibe from the Linux community, which is why I tend to be a little aggressive.

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AlienMind: ..nobody cares, but then again I don't care because you couldn't walk 5 meters today without using linux and I can leave people in their blissful ignorance and don't need to prove anything.
This is another example of Linux hair splitting. When people say Linux, they often mean Ubuntu or something like it. The NT kernel is also used in a lot of stuff not just PC's. ATM use it and my local buss service uses it. But when people say Windows they mean Windows not NT and when people say Linux they mean Desktop versions, which is about as niche as it gets.
Post edited June 30, 2018 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: when people say Linux they mean Desktop versions
who do you voodoo, bitch?
not my problem people are wrong and dumb. this isn't some social feely topic like race or peoples identities but technical with nouns that stand for something not even marketing people can spindoctor around for their use to confuse deciders into them having virtual superiority and knowing shit.
if you don't split hairs in the implementation side of the math and science hood, people die, motherfucker.
and yes, in reality i still don't care and just want to appear cool. which i am. kthxbye.
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Magmarock: when people say Linux they mean Desktop versions
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AlienMind: who do you voodoo, bitch?
not my problem people are wrong and dumb. this isn't some social feely topic like race or peoples identities but technical with nouns that stand for something not even marketing people can spindoctor around for their use to confuse deciders into them having virtual superiority and knowing shit.
if you don't split hairs in the implementation side of the math and science hood, people die, motherfucker.
and yes, in reality i still don't care and just want to appear cool. which i am. kthxbye.
If I didn't know any better I'd suspect you of trolling/ Just a tiny bit ;>
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Magmarock: Witcher 3 is such an unplayable mess on Linux that it might as well not be there. This is one of the weakest arguments. You could’ve at least said something like “in time, Linux will get more popular and easier to use. With offline pacakges like APK and exe to install all your favourite games and drivers” is what you could’ve said. :P Too late now.
Whatever Witcher 3 is, its an application that can click into existing stack and play on LInux.
Its not Linux disadvantage that Witcher 3 was not released for it, it technically completely capable to run it.
This is why your "I use Windows because I can play Witcher 3" is indeed weakest argument.


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Magmarock: With offline pacakges like APK and exe to install all your favourite games and drivers” is what you could’ve said. :P Too late now.
PE Exe is irrelevant, insecure, bloated and outdated. APK is very platform specific, doing the changes that Linux distributions do renders APK useless. You lack technical background, yet you are first to make arguments, which is very sad.


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Magmarock: XDDD That is the funniest god damn thing I’ve read in my life
You don't use Linux, but you try your best to state how broken it is without knowing a thing.
Its not funny, its sad, IMHO.

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Magmarock: Yeah, there’s a reason for that. Most of my attempts and making solutions for Linux fell of deaf ears. You guys really don’t like it when people try to make this easier. Look how the community treats the guys behind Mint and Ubuntu for example. They’ve done more for the community then anyone else and everyone hates them. Who would want to be in their situation.
I have used Linux Mint for quite some time, until I found that it uses mintsystem script to modify many packages directly. This is malicious.

The only advantage of Mint is that its branding is less intrusive and it includes PPA management tool, but this is what other distributions also do, so there is little advantage here.

I recommend using Manjaro for those who like "classic distributions", as I said - I am more "managed system" proponent (because I consider it next generation tech), so my choice is Nixos.

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Magmarock: My criticism is based on it’s design not it’s bugs.
Design criticism also belongs on bugracker. Anything that can be implemented, can be pushed on bugtracker. Ubuntu had "Windows is nr1 system"-bug for very long time.

Do you have github or similar account? I would be interested in looking at what you contributed, package management is a pretty tech-intensive project.


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Magmarock: What, I’m not calling you a noob critics like me are labelled as noobs. Whenever someones criticise the or tries to improve it; their efforts are dismissed as noobish. Case and point. “Mint is for noobs” thus saith the Gentoo fanboys.

Also there’s NT-Lite now which is better and DISM which is harder to use but far more powerful.
Gentoo is correct, Mint is for noobs, Gentoo's emerge or exherbo's/gentoo's paludis are one of the most advanced package managers to date, that can completely rebuild the system from source code using upfront user specifications.

The Apt is much less complex compared to those two, the local user has to agree with policy of package maker to use the package. Ebuild or exheres are build scripts with flag support, so the user can let the package manager automatically hack the packages to own specifications.

It requires experience to use such tools, thus Gentoo is definitely not for Noobs, which is good. It filters people which are willing to learn from people that are willing to make claims...

I am not touching anything MS since Vista and have suspended all my contributions, so I don't care. The system failure withing Windows is un-fixable, its really one step back from arcade consoles, it just lets you run own cartridges (but this is becoming worse and worse) - no other difference.

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Magmarock: Not sure what you mean by bleach. I defiantly could’ve written my first thread with a less rantish vibe. I will do that in the future. That being said, I can’t say I’m upset at the results. All the wiled behaviour from the Linux community has proven to be quite interesting. There were a few sensible comments, but I didn’t have anything to say to them because, well they were sensible.
So you are collecting people reactions, rather than actually trying to contribute to the system.

That's called "trolling". I am pretty used to it, but you are late 15 years... The owners of that site got hacked multiple times until they switched to Linux and then they grew up and post something sensible today.
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Magmarock: In regards to saying that you're entitled I apologize. I get a very communist vibe from the Linux community, which is why I tend to be a little aggressive.
You know anything about communism? I lived in USSR. What about you?
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Lin545: Gentoo is correct, Mint is for noobs, Gentoo's emerge or exherbo's/gentoo's paludis are one of the most advanced package managers to date, that can completely rebuild the system from source code using upfront user specifications.
Drawbacks of emerge (or, rather, portage):
* Dependency resolution takes far longer than it should.
* Because it's source based, package installation and updates take longer than with binary package managers. There are a few packages where this is a major issue, such as chromium (whcih can take hours to compile on a modern system).

For building a complete system from source, I personally like buildroot; I actually built a system for my Raspberry Pi Zero with it, and I was able to make it never mount the filesystem read/write. (Doing this means that I don't have to worry about not shutting down properly, as there's no filesystem that could be corrupted.)
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Magmarock: In regards to saying that you're entitled I apologize. I get a very communist vibe from the Linux community, which is why I tend to be a little aggressive.
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Lin545: You know anything about communism? I lived in USSR. What about you?
I know to stay as far away from it as possible.