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Nible1: The problem is, if this wasn't in the context of China and Taiwan, this would have gone quite differently, I am sure.
Agreed. Blizzard and many other media companies do the exact same two-faced parading: at least pretend to stand up for consumers, uphold progressive values (many even censor for these reasons, which I find inexcusable as well) and usually weather off criticism - from players, media and politicians - just fine.

But once China gets brought into the mix in any way they instantly drop all pretenses, offer vague half-hearted response or outright lies to the non-Chinese audience while profusely apologizing on Chinese social media for daring to hurt the nation's integrity or some bullshit. China always takes absolutely priority in these situations.

Hopefully the combination of Cyberpunk debacle and this one manage to somehow rough them up. I've gradually gotten disillusioned with GOG anyways over the years - removing region fair pricing, slowly insinuating they're reneging on DRM free content - and now with both the manipulation of review process and right after that kowtowing to Chinese censorship demands we know that they really have decided to drop nearly everything that originally garnered them their goodwill.
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RafaelRamus: Snip
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GreywolfLord: It's an infuriating situation to be in. I don't think we should give in to the demands of a Red China in things like this. If you submit to what they want, who knows how far else they will go.

On the otherhand, they ARE a threat in these instances. They are a BIG threat and they have shown they are not afraid to push their weight around. if it's a choice between what GOG did, and having China unleash it's electronic resources to punish GOG...

It's a rock and a hard place situation...how far do people want GOG to go. Are they already on the Hill that they want all their information taken by a possible Hack because GOG's parent company is currently placing most of their resources into the Cyberpunk situation and can't expend anymore on building up GOG's defenses against an easily offended China...because my feeling is that if that happened many of those here wouldn't be commending GOG on taking a stand, but instead complaining about how GOG didn't do enough to protect their information or try to do anything in their power to keep it safe.

GOG HAS done something to keep it safe here perhaps...which is another facet to consider.
Say you're right about this.

What is/are the excuse(s) for Hatred?

What about the complete lack of transparency for curation and complete lack of any reasoning not provided to developers?

Are you also ok with lies of "Galaxy optional only and will never be required" and "DRM-free only" except when they aren't?

Are you ok with the outright fraud CDPR committed with CP2077 on PS4 and Xbox One?
- And it is fraud. CDPR prevented anybody from reviewing these versions after openly stating that CP2077 performed very well and much better than anticipated on these systems - only to openly admit in a conference call that CDPR was fully aware the PS4 and XB1 versions of the game are defective and do not work. They have stolen money and defrauded from everybody who bought a physical copy they can't return. If I bought a physical copy (or any copy for that matter) I would already have a lawyer and be going class-action.
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GreywolfLord: It's an infuriating situation to be in. I don't think we should give in to the demands of a Red China in things like this. If you submit to what they want, who knows how far else they will go.

On the otherhand, they ARE a threat in these instances. They are a BIG threat and they have shown they are not afraid to push their weight around. if it's a choice between what GOG did, and having China unleash it's electronic resources to punish GOG...

It's a rock and a hard place situation...how far do people want GOG to go. Are they already on the Hill that they want all their information taken by a possible Hack because GOG's parent company is currently placing most of their resources into the Cyberpunk situation and can't expend anymore on building up GOG's defenses against an easily offended China...because my feeling is that if that happened many of those here wouldn't be commending GOG on taking a stand, but instead complaining about how GOG didn't do enough to protect their information or try to do anything in their power to keep it safe.

GOG HAS done something to keep it safe here perhaps...which is another facet to consider.
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MajicMan: Say you're right about this.

What is/are the excuse(s) for Hatred?

What about the complete lack of transparency for curation and complete lack of any reasoning not provided to developers?

Are you also ok with lies of "Galaxy optional only and will never be required" and "DRM-free only" except when they aren't?

Are you ok with the outright fraud CDPR committed with CP2077 on PS4 and Xbox One?
- And it is fraud. CDPR prevented anybody from reviewing these versions after openly stating that CP2077 performed very well and much better than anticipated on these systems - only to openly admit in a conference call that CDPR was fully aware the PS4 and XB1 versions of the game are defective and do not work. They have stolen money and defrauded from everybody who bought a physical copy they can't return. If I bought a physical copy (or any copy for that matter) I would already have a lawyer and be going class-action.
I WOULD prefer for them to have more transparency in these matters. If what was written in another thread is right, they did get a LOT of emails from Chinese individuals regarding the game...instead of blaming gamers, they should have been open about exactly what they were basing their comments upon.

If it was a bunch of messaging from supposed "Chinese Gamers" (and how many really think it was a bunch of them in reality rather than CCP stooges???), they should be more open about the actual threats and statements written against the release of the game.

I'm not sure what I feel about the Galaxy/DRM thing yet. I prefer no DRM, it's one of the reasons I support GOG. That's probably a BIGGER facet to me than most other items. I am anti-DRM. It's one of the SOLE reasons that I keep supporting GOG, despite anything else they may have done thus far. To me, DRM is a bigger issue and a core issue in gaming today. It has yet to affect me, so that's a good thing, but I would hate to see GOG turn over and start selling a lot of DRM games and such.

In regards to Cyberpunk 2077, I'm not that concerned. I think it is unfortunate for those who have gotten it, but it's not the first game that has had serious problems (anyone remember Fallout: New Vegas? People couldn't play that game for over an hour without it freezing or glitiching or numerous other game stopping bugs...but it was still a game worth playing). I think people kicked themselves in their own arses. It's like this situation...people talk about GoG not releasing the game over a threat of CCP interference...BUT if GOG was hacked those same people would complain even more about their information being gained by the Chinese. In that same light...people BEGGED and PLED and THREATENED for them to release Cyberpunk 2077. When they delayed it...there were so many people that were angry and were saying they were ready no matter what state it was in...

Cyberpunk really is convoluted. People wanted it out NOW and didn't want to wait. Finally, they got what they wanted...but many of those same people are now those complaining about the state it's in.

So...I can see why some may be unhappy, but considering a LOT of those same people's attitudes in pushing for a release as soon as possible, I'm not really amused in their response.

It still is a serious blow to CDPR's reputation and CDPs.

CDPR seems to be trying to make a focus on patching these issues (no idea if they will be able to or not) over the next few months. Let's hope that they will be able to.
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Turbo-Beaver: They take your money and then take you for granted. Your voice with all your purchase history matters less to them than some social media noise.
It helps when I treat gaming stores (and all other companies) as hookers. For the money I give them, they pretend to like me and have an orgasm, and I pretend like I care if they do.

I know, it is all a big lie, but then so is the cake.
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Turbo-Beaver: They take your money and then take you for granted. Your voice with all your purchase history matters less to them than some social media noise.
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timppu: It helps when I treat gaming stores (and all other companies) as hookers. For the money I give them, they pretend to like me and have an orgasm, and I pretend like I care if they do.

I know, it is all a big lie, but then so is the cake.
I concede this is all part of the standard corporate playbook. I wouldn't expect anything else from any other company. It's just that I used to consider GOG an exception to this. At this point I'm not sure was it really any better once, or was the ethical facade a lie right from the start, and all that's changed now is that the mask is completely off.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Turbo-Beaver
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Turbo-Beaver: They take your money and then take you for granted. Your voice with all your purchase history matters less to them than some social media noise.
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timppu: It helps when I treat gaming stores (and all other companies) as hookers. For the money I give them, they pretend to like me and have an orgasm, and I pretend like I care if they do.

I know, it is all a big lie, but then so is the cake.
It doesn't have to be. That is the worst part. GOG has a large and loyal customer base that wants to do business with an honest business that just does what they say they do. Sell DRM-free games without sh*ting on your customers/clients/patrons.

I haven't done any business with CDP, CDPR and GOG in more than a year because of all the garbage they have been doing for the past 5 years and finally reached the point in 2019 where I was going to also use my wallet. The last time I bought anything off GOG was the summer sale June, 2019. I bought 15 games and spent $134.65 US. So 18 months and counting now.

What pisses me off though is that I have a bunch of games I want to buy and I want to support those developers. Right now, I want to knock 15 to 30 games out of my wishlist that have been building. I want to pick up Fury Unleashed, River City Girls, Atom RPG, Blasphemous digital deluxe, Tower 57 2 pack and many, many others. I would have already done this on the first day and had my GOG downloader cranking back in the day.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by MajicMan