No one is gonna buy a 3050 now anyway.. what for? The 4060 is faster and more efficient.

Still, i do agree i would not buy those "crap cards".. yet they are faster than a APU, and clearly overpriced i feel. They should start with 150 coins for this card... the greed knows no bounds.

Entry level means low-end, yes.
And the 8700G, which would be the most powerful iGPU, is compared to the 1650, and often the 1650 prevails, so there's quite a difference.

You mean the Radeon 760M?

It got around 500 shading units and around 5 TFLOPs, which is a bit above a PS4 in theory. Still less than half the performance of a PS5 in this case and as well less than half the performance of a 4060 which is about 15 TFLOPSs and way more shading units.

According to this review the 890M should be ahead:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-780M-vs-Radeon-890M_11564_12524.247598.0.html

780M, yeah.
And didn't take those AI chips into account...
So yes, it's well under those cards you're listing. (But completely sufficient for me for the foreseeable future.)

Oh, speaking of what video cards start from now, checked three stores from here. Weakest one available, in stock, on all 3? One also had a 610 and one even a 210, but the weakest one available on all 3 is GeForce 710, from multiple manufacturers. Of course, that's for those with no integrated graphics and who just want a way to use a computer for basic stuff, but it's there. And past that it goes to the 1030 and you have pretty much every step from there.

Oh, i was accidentally pointing at the wrong APU-GPU, yes 780M which got 768 shader units. Anyway, yes the 890M got a bit above 1000 and is with higher performance. Still, the "entry level"... i mean the new ones, such as 4060, GPUs are at least 2 times higher performance, so they are not "useless".

How do you plan to get wealthy without shares in todays world? Oh... you do not own shares? Not the best idea, unless you never want to get more wealth.

1300 euros..... that's like, almost unimaginable. I remember the foundation cards going for around 1300 when the huge discount was goin on around the launch of the 4090 and 4080.
just checked the price progression through time in the Netherlands, image attached
Ah yea, i'm looking at the graph right now. Only 2 times in history, the 3090 founders edition dropped below the 1500 euro's
8th of march 2023 and a small period range from 7 to 12 december 2022. My google search also revealed to me a number rating the average price of the 3090Ti currently at 329 euros.... Seriously, this just appears under the presented pictures of items. Never seen such a thing in my life!
wait i'll add a screenshot of the thing, even in Dutch it should be fairly recognizable

Well, my card got the founder editions part yes, in most cases... with the best parts available on the market. It was valued very high by a repair shop, as that guy said "it can almost always be repaired, as it got outstanding protection".

329 EUR for the 3090TI? Well... then the 4090 should be 1000 EUR by now... good luck getting those, in a perfectly working shape, at this price... especially those with "founders edition-parts".

Maybe if they are destroyed... i mean defective, it may work at this price.

I would say for a Founders Edition (or its parts, some MSI cards got them too) 3090 TI the market value is still between 700 and 800 EUR, almost on the same level of a new 7900 XTX. Performance is about equal, energy consumption is lesser for the 7900 XTX of course but the quality of the components of a 7900 XTX is lower, reason why a used Founders Edition (or comparable, with same parts) goes for about the same price... which makes sense.

Yet indeed... not every 3090 TI can achieve this price, for those without Founders Edition parts i would say 500 EUR is fair... not much more. In a good shape of course...

I mean, if one wants the best efficiency possible without the need of the features you listed, I still think the laptop way is the best way. That said, for me would be unthinkable as my primary computer, since I need a truck load of diferent storage drives and need easy access to them, my main desktop don't even have the side panel.

Regarding the power diference, on stock settings they are way diferent, but the dedicated card can be tuned to match and most cases surpass, the performance of the iGPU in the same power budget.
Not everyone lives in a PCMasterRace realm, plenty of people are perfectly fine with a entry level card with modern features. Also not everyone plays the latest and greatest videogames. It's fine to aim for the top parts but a RTX 4060/Rx7600 are perfectly fine cards that do what they suposed to do, even if they feel expensive as heck, that's always been the case with entry cards. Same with both versions of the 3050.

What I really don't apreciate is the current trend of selling gimped cards like the Rx6400/6500 wich don't actually do what they suposed to do. Also the current tred of going PCIe 4.0 x8 instead of x16 means that upgrade older perfectly fine systems is a pain. That's why I consider the Rx7600 the best entry level card on the market, as crazy as it sound considering a 250-300€ card entry level.

I already told "decent" entry level card and this was my imagination related to this... so we are "on par" regarding the outcome.

However, the 3050, 6500 or whatever is not decent, nope... those are just a APU/IGP replacement. I would not play with those but for those "only" playing classic games (older than 10 years) it surely works.

Sorry if I sound harsh or patronising but that is no entry level, that is scrap binning. No one sane should pay more than a simbolic amount for a Rx580 (or similar) unless they know the card history.
It's 7-8 years old, underpowered for current videogames, overpriced (I paid ~200€ for the rx480 4GB) and any card on the market should assumed to be using to mine cryptocurrencies to hell and back, specially the Rx580...
If anyone want a cheap used card, my recomendation is the GTX1650. It's roughly the same performance as the Rx580, half the power consumption, a whole magnitude less power usage in idle/light load conditions and depending on the market can be had for very cheap (seen several at 50€ mark). Also, since the card is very power limited, is very hard to kill such a card, even if used continuously.

I think i can agree with your statement :) with how everything progresses atm, i'm already building up a microsoft games library in the case i decide to buy a next gen XboX instead of again throwing 4000 euro's at a PC. A laptop might work too then but initial purchasing costs might be a crux in those efficiency calculations. Of course you described lower tiered products, i do realize.

Again i agree. I had a lot of fun with a 2060 super, though it displayed a tendency of just falling short of my expectations.