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sooo. it loads web sites over the course of minutes instead of seconds? You get top watch low grade jpegs trickle in one horizontal row at a time?
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paladin181: sooo. it loads web sites over the course of minutes instead of seconds? You get top watch low grade jpegs trickle in one horizontal row at a time?
Old-school browser, not old-school connection or speeds. Meaning, it can handle HTML 3.2, and parts of HTML 4. Most of CSS, and nothing from CSS2. JavaScript 1.3/ECMAScript 1 works fine, but support for JavaScript 1.5/ECMAScript 3 is flaky at best.

(This isn't actually a list of what K-Meleon supports, just a response along the same lines as what was responded to.)
Post edited February 15, 2018 by Maighstir
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Galasien: As for K-Meleon, it has a steadfast and die-hard Russian community, for instance, and their fresh release version for now is 76, not 75. K-Meleon does have a bunch of innate extensions and plugins that cover the basic "normal" needs of web-surfing, such as ad-blocking, the famous Chinese-made site-blocking-bypassing proxy tool Ultrasurf and others.
No "clouds", synchronizations and so on, just because this browser is so simple to install and transfer that you just copy-paste its little-weighted folder between PCs - and voila.
That's helpful info. Sounds like it's sort of portable.

Seems like their website is still in process of being recovered as SourceForge completes its data migration. Current message is:
Project web is currently offline pending the final migration of its data to our new datacenter.
Hopefully when the website is available it'll have more information.
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Darvond: So...what does this offer that say, SeaMonkey or Lynx doesn't, while allegedly being old-school?

Seriously, the UI for Seamonkey hasn't changed for over a decade, and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) ] the Lynx browser[/url] is one of the last text mode browsers in existence.
 

There is also eww (emacs web wowser) within emacs, which is more recent. I think it can show images, but I'm not really sure because it's been a while since I've used it for anything other than viewing my own HTML documents (notes and such). I also use eww as an alternative UI for the macos by simply including links to the games I've installed (or their installers if I haven't installed them yet). I know eww does do proportional fonts, but I don't think it does CSS.
Post edited February 15, 2018 by thomq
used to use this before moving to firefox
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Lin545: You should get my detailed response to your criticism with the next pigeon! Please keep the windows open and a pack of seeds handy!
Of course, my Pigeon Lord (or should I say (Kατα)πύγων Lord instead?). I would even rename the famous B.S.'s song War Pigs to War Pigeons just not to let you pigeon yourself.
Post edited February 15, 2018 by Galasien
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paladin181: sooo. it loads web sites over the course of minutes instead of seconds? You get top watch low grade jpegs trickle in one horizontal row at a time?
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Maighstir: Old-school browser, not old-school connection or speeds. Meaning, it can handle HTML 3.2, and parts of HTML 4. Most of CSS, and nothing from CSS2. JavaScript 1.3/ECMAScript 1 works fine, but support for JavaScript 1.5/ECMAScript 3 is flaky at best.

(This isn't actually a list of what K-Meleon supports, just a response along the same lines as what was responded to.)
Touché
The main issue I run into with using an alternative browser is support. Not from the developers but from websites. My payroll debit card is from ADP. For years their website actually supported Lynx. As someone who has vision issues it was nice to be able to view clear and organized banking materials without issues.

Last year they moved over to a modern and pretty website. When you print out their banking statements, half of each page is a big huge image of a lady picking out melons. Where previously I could get everything for a month's banking on a single page or two, we're now talking about 10-12 at least.

When I tried to raise the issue with ADP< I was told that Lynx wasn;t a real browser, that they didn;t support it, never had and I should use a real browser.
I'm surprised to discover that K-Meleon is still being updates! Nice!
I used it very briefly many years ago. Not time enough to form an opinion.

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drmike: The main issue I run into with using an alternative browser is support. Not from the developers but from websites.
Yes, you are very right. Designers are taking over the internet. I remember when websites were mostly done in Flash!
Things got better a while back, but now that mobile browsers are catching up in functionality, we have 9 sources of javascript (plus the obligatory social media buttons), big pictures and animations and menus everywhere. Looks dominate content.

It is not just accessibility that suffers, automation is also made more difficult.
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Gede: Things got better a while back, but now that mobile browsers are catching up in functionality, we have 9 sources of javascript (plus the obligatory social media buttons), big pictures and animations and menus everywhere. Looks dominate content.

It is not just accessibility that suffers, automation is also made more difficult.
I always wonder why many websites and apps change their own looks and functionality every few weeks.
Many newer versions of apps are actually worse, and introduce more and more bugs.

Desktop Environments for Un*x also suffered this kind of problems.
I guess those young designers just do not know what is good and what they want.
They just change everything without thinking, and hope the new design will be better.
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kbnrylaec: I always wonder why many websites and apps change their own looks and functionality every few weeks.
Many newer versions of apps are actually worse, and introduce more and more bugs.

Desktop Environments for Un*x also suffered this kind of problems.
I guess those young designers just do not know what is good and what they want.
They just change everything without thinking, and hope the new design will be better.
There is software that is so stable that it looks dead. I remember thinking "why don't they add new features?" Stuff that looks ancient, like TeX and awk. They really look decades old. But they work and you know you can trust them.

At the other end you have flashy software that has skins, and you really enjoy tailoring it to your tastes. But after a few days you realize that the default one has the best usability and loads faster anyway (and does not look silly). Things like Enlightenment and Winamp come to mind. And then there is Metro.

But, hey, keep using the old version if you can. But with services, you can't do that! I have complained about the usability of my home banking website and they just ignored me. It is a pain to use! Clearly these people don't use their own products regularly. But, hey, it looks pretty!

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To clarify: new design shows work and improvement better than fixing bugs. Also, the looks are easier to evaluate than functionality.
Post edited February 15, 2018 by Gede
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Gede: Designers are taking over the internet.
That's not what I said. Real designers understand the need for accessibility, having information in a form readable by all and not having a need to bend over backwards to access material.

Last week I was dealing with a website designed by a photographer. Every single image file had her name as part of the image file name and not the companies. No alt tags. Nearly no text on the website. A very broken SSL certificate. (that I see this morning is also now out of date.) Multiple parts of the website loaded within iframes. Text color is too close to the background color so it's hard to read. Lots of issues. And the cms they used is at least a dozen versions behind.

Lots of fun.
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Gede: Designers are taking over the internet.
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drmike: That's not what I said. Real designers understand the need for accessibility, having information in a form readable by all and not having a need to bend over backwards to access material.
No, that was what I said. But OK, let me rephrase that: wannabe designers are taking over the internet.

However, even good designers can not be expected to understand everything there is to know about websites or whatever they are working on. It is a cooperative process most of the time. Good looks caused problems with the iPhone antenna, remember that?

I think the main point still stands: you don't see an alt tag most of the time. They are not meant to show up on tooltips. The semantics of websites are all borked!
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thomq:  

There is also eww (emacs web wowser) within emacs, which is more recent. I think it can show images, but I'm not really sure because it's been a while since I've used it for anything other than viewing my own HTML documents (notes and such). I also use eww as an alternative UI for the macos by simply including links to the games I've installed (or their installers if I haven't installed them yet). I know eww does do proportional fonts, but I don't think it does CSS.
I bet you use eww. Keep your fetishes to yourself.[/jk]