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Darvond: So whose word are you going to take, some numpty on Discord, or the word of Zach & Tarn Adams who have been incredibly open about the entire development process, the future of development, features, and more?
I don't really "know" any of them. The game doesn't interest me, either way. Just sharing an opinion I read.
Have heard a lot of good things about Dwarf Fortress over the years but every time I look at the screenshots...
Sorry, but ASCII-code as graphics is too oldschool for me.
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viperfdl: Have heard a lot of good things about Dwarf Fortress over the years but every time I look at the screenshots...
Sorry, but ASCII-code as graphics is too oldschool for me.
The new comercial release is with some sort of pixel art graphics, both the ASCII and "pixel art" version will be mantained.

There's a nice and very interesting interview with one of the devs (2 brothers only living on the donations of a free game) on youtube on a channel called noclip. I'm unable to paste a link now but will do it later.

Link to the mentioned youtube noclip video with the interview
Post edited December 07, 2022 by Dark_art_
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David9855: I'd prefer to buy my games on GOG but they are dropping the ball so many times.
And you know this for a fact do you?
A bunch of folk here seem to always think it is down to GOG, and that the DEV/PUB can never be at fault or tell lies.

Personally I prefer to view things with logic.

So .... Why would GOG not have a good money spinner here? And if it's free, then what's the incentive?
Must be some reason(s), that are reasonable to them.
No doubt all to do with the deal .... or maybe GOG are snowed under with a huge backlog.

Then there is the need to provide a game via GOG, when Steam has the Lion's share of the gaming market, and providers can be forgiven for not seeing the need for a GOG version ... all that extra work ... unless GOG sweeten the deal maybe, make it all worthwhile. And Itch.io is also a well known good avenue, that no doubt has a large customer and or fan base.

I don't doubt that DEVs and PUBs like to manipulate the conversation, to put pressure on GOG, so maybe they don't tell lies exactly, but just don't tell all the truth. So when I read or hear about them saying GOG refused to accept their game, I always think ... so what are they not telling us. GOG of course cannot fight back.

I am glad that GOG doesn't have all the crud here that you can so easily get lost in at both Steam and Itch. I like it that GOG are much more discerning, even though that likely means delays etc for some of the good stuff to turn up here.
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Timboli: And if it's free, then what's the incentive?
Just to clear things up as it seems there some misunderstanding, the original Dwarf Fortress is indeed free while the new version available on Steam with non-ASCII graphics is paid.
It's not a simple Steam release (eg. Battle for Wesnoth), lit's more like the case of Speluky (others too) that got a comercial "HD" release even if the original version is still free and available to download.

I do agree with you that there are plenty of reasons to DF not being on GOG but I also agree with the tilte that is a massive fail not being available on GOG. It's probably the most complex game ever designed and a landmark anything videogames related.
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Dark_art_: I also agree with the tilte that is a massive fail not being available on GOG. It's probably the most complex game ever designed and a landmark anything videogames related.
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David9855: Fanboy denial. Look this game would of been a perfect fit for GOG and they went else were for a DRM free option, speaks volumes. I'd prefer to buy my games on GOG but they are dropping the ball so many times.
And again: even if we consider it to be a "massive fail"...it's not entirely on GOG, whether a game gets released here.
And apparently the devs are not interested in a GOG release (be it the free or the paid version).

"Why Steam/itch? Health difficulties, uncertain structure of Patreon."

"What about other storefronts? We’re focused on Steam and itch.io for now."

(taken from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xwhi1KKp5QD9R4-euZ0JqRB0vHdNPqdBJXjIgp-yYHA/edit, provided by Gragar in post #3)
Post edited December 07, 2022 by BreOl72
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Timboli: Stretching the notion of 'Massive Fail' aren't we. I'd never even heard of it until now, and there are many more far better known games that aren't yet here on GOG and many that never will be.

How do you define 'Massive Fail'?
just because you have not heard about it, does not mean it is not a very well known game. Dwarf Fortress was first started on in 2002, and it is a higly influential game. It is still today unique in its scope and design. It is even one of the very few games that has been used in musems as an example of digital games and game design. Frankly, if you have not heard about it tells more about you than anything else.

It is just now that that they have re-skinned it from ASCII to sprite based that they are seliing the sprite based version of the game, becuase artists and art costs mony.
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Dark_art_: Just to clear things up as it seems there some misunderstanding, the original Dwarf Fortress is indeed free while the new version available on Steam with non-ASCII graphics is paid.

I do agree with you that there are plenty of reasons to DF not being on GOG but I also agree with the tilte that is a massive fail not being available on GOG. It's probably the most complex game ever designed and a landmark anything videogames related.
My reply was both specific and generic, so no misunderstanding on my part. I was just addressing the flawed notion that exists with some, that GOG are at fault when it come to games failing to appear here. They can maybe be blamed in some instances for games not appearing here in a timely fashion, but then backlog is backlog and who decides when or if something should jump the queue, and how GOG do their curating, and what issues come up when trying to negotiate a deal with the provider. It seems that some find it all too easy to just blame GOG.

Clearly the game means a lot more to you and the OP etc, than to me and no doubt many others, as there are plenty of games that have failed to turn up at GOG, that certainly mean more to us, so DF is just a par for the course failure to us, and certainly not massive. I am also stating that from the perspective of the types of games that do turn up at GOG, which is far from the AAA games etc one gets at Steam. So I cannot factor 'massive' into the usual expectation.

I could say that it is a massive fail that Doom Eternal for instance hasn't turned up here, but I wouldn't, as it is not really an expectation it will any time soon. And there are oodles of others like that.

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amok: just because you have not heard about it, does not mean it is not a very well known game.
I never said it wasn't a very well known game, just that it wasn't well known enough to deserve the notion of 'massive fail'.

A 'massive fail' for me, so far, is Quake Enhanced not being here, when we have the standard version and expansions, and both Steam and Epic have had QE on sale many times, and Amazon Prime currently has the Epic version for free.

I don't automatically blame GOG though, as there is clearly other factors at play.
Post edited December 07, 2022 by Timboli
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Timboli: Clearly the game means a lot more to you and the OP etc
Note that I'm not a long time player or some sort of fan, never actually played the game.
As the post by "amok" said, the game is very influential and is a perfect fit to GOG, more so 'cause they keep bringing stuff about history and preservation blah blah blah whatever this month buzzwords are.

My point about being a massive fail is not pointing fingers at GOG when the devs maybe the ones "at fault". I just think this is a game GOG should put the extra effort to bring here in time. Even financially makes sense since was the best seller game on Steam for the last couple of days, against the likes of Call of Duty. But then again, Return of Monkey Island was late a "only" couple of months...
Like you said, there's plenty of other games that should be here as well.
Post edited December 07, 2022 by Dark_art_
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Syphon72: I'm pretty sure rtcvb32 is far from a fanboy. haha
I heard about it back 7 years ago, checked it out... too complicated i didn't bother to try it. It was suppose to be one of the most complicated games where you are unlikely to ever finish, or something like that.

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viperfdl: Have heard a lot of good things about Dwarf Fortress over the years but every time I look at the screenshots...
Sorry, but ASCII-code as graphics is too oldschool for me.
Makes them cheaper to produce. ADOM was also ASCII, then they started putting a graphics engine on top of the game, and now it's a commercial product. So...

I think ASCII and other games are a lot easier to swallow when you have weak hardware and no money.
Post edited December 07, 2022 by rtcvb32
Fun (and probably irrelevant to this thread) fact:

The complete name of the game is Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress

The almost forgotten chapter I of Slaves to Armok: God of Blood can be downloaded here
https://steamcommunity.com/app/975370/discussions/0/3362406825530013575/?ctp=3

This Steam forum thread asks for a GOG release but also asks if the Steam version is DRM-free as an acceptable alternative.

If somebody wants to make a thread specifically requesting a GOG release, I'll post in it too.
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rtcvb32: I think ASCII and other games are a lot easier to swallow when you have weak hardware and no money.
Seethe and cope.

If people like it or not Dwarf Fortress is bigger then GOG and more well known.
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David9855: Seethe and cope.

If people like it or not Dwarf Fortress is bigger then GOG and more well known.
it's like I'm in 4chan
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Dark_art_: As the post by "amok" said, the game is very influential and is a perfect fit to GOG, more so 'cause they keep bringing stuff about history and preservation blah blah blah whatever this month buzzwords are.

I just think this is a game GOG should put the extra effort to bring here in time.
It may very well be worthy of being here, and to that end I have voted for it at the following.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/dwarf_fortress

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David9855: If people like it or not Dwarf Fortress is bigger then GOG and more well known.
I hate to poop on your party or parade, but if that is the case, then you are kind of contradicting yourself and the notion of 'massive fail', because you are making GOG sound as inconsequential, that the game is so well known already, that there is nothing much to be gained by it being here at GOG. And while that's not what i believe and think it would be good if it was here, clearly going by other comments above, the DEV/PUB feel otherwise. Maybe it is a massive fail on their part, but certainly not GOG's.