Do you see anyone hurling any insults here? I guess you were since you called me a liberal and suggested I see a therapist for my mental illness, which is quite a serious allegation. Or do you want it locked because you find the topic intolerable for you? No one is forcing you to read any of this content, by the way.

LGBTQ+ community are not pedophiles nor are they indoctrinating your children. There are pedophiles and bad actors in all camps, regardless of identity, and those are justifiably deserving of everyone's hate.

If gog wasn't actively involved in politics themselves (via their products) i would say it's fair to keep the discussion to games, even if i believe that it's not really tenable. And the thing is, there's always "somewhere else." Maybe there's "somewhere else" to complain about GOG's DRM issues, too. Maybe we should go somewhere else to talk about not liking galaxy. Maybe we should go somewhere else to talk about Devotion? Or how about any other games GOG rejects, for that matter? Where is the line?

Good grief.

Intersex people clearly already have a physical issue, if they have surgeries it's unlikely any additional harm will be done.
They're also a vanishingly small minority whose accomodation should be possible without any detrimental effects on society.
The trans issue is rather different imo. Doing radical surgeries like mastectomies or penectomies on people who are physically healthy and whose biological sex is unambiguous is ethically very questionable imo. The more radical trans activists also seem to be aiming at some sort of transformation of all of society for their agenda.
So the two issues aren't alike at all imo.

Don't get me wrong, i do see the "medical malpractice" angle as something to be concerned about, but it's a wholly different point. The point is, since we have the neurological argument (the age old "i was born with this head and the other body"), until we can actually prove it false, there is no simple way to draw the line between transsexuals and intersex, given the argument that we have sex-specific brains which are argued to mismatch. Yes, taking 10 steps back, sure, they are very obviously separate issues, however there's no easy standard for a line, especially if we can't establish the brain of the intersex person.

Now, there has been some progress in identifying "male brains" from "female brains" and perhaps some progress can be made to use that standard, however such research is condemned in the mainstream.

The problem is, and this is the same issue me and Breja are clearly disagreeing on at the moment, is the issue of edge-cases. Just look at a color spectrum: if you ask 10 people to draw a line between red and blue out of solid color squares, it's easy, but turn it into a gradiant betwixt the two, and see if the lines they draw overlap.

Eh, I think Breja's view is rather that such issues shouldn't be discussed at all in a gaming forum...and he probably has a point there.
Anyway, imo the pro-trans side hasn't established that the majority of trans people have a "brain of the opposite sex". While I don't exclude the possibility that something like this might exist, I think in the majority of cases there are other explanations.
But I'm done here. I really should have resisted commenting in this thread at all...probably need to take up the suggestion of looking for a therapist :-)

For the sake of argument: From my understanding this law prohibits the distribution of "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships" among minors. If I'm understanding the part about Sims 4 correctly, you can cram a game chock full of homosexuality and transgenderism and you could still sell it in Russia as long as it carries an 18+ rating. While the banner on the front page could certainly be interpreted as propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships, it shouldn't really be in violation of the law either, since it doesn't aim at minors specifically.

Actually, if you give an intersex baby a surgery to "correct" their genitals, and you make the wrong choice about how to "correct them", the resulting child will end up with gender dysphoria when growing up; without the correction, the child would be able to make an informed choice (as opposed to the doctor making a decision with no information).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
(Well, this was actually about a cisgender male baby who got a botched circumcism and was raised as a girl, but the same thing can happen with intersex babies.)

I think he would be right to a degree, too, but where's the line drawn and what do you do about those that cross the line? I don't come to GOG looking to present my best arguments and get feedback. That said, if someone wants to start an issue I feel fine joining into it.

Though, maybe we could take some time to focus a bit more on GOG's movements in politics. The curation seems to lean. Well, the thing is, when making a prohibitionary argument, the cautious side is your opposition, not the prohibitionary argument. To ban something, you have to make a positive claim why something needs banned, then you have to defend it from all angles. The "wrong brain" angle is not one that seems to have a readily available counter-argument, so until it is established otherwise, I must fundamentally defend transsexuals on the same basis as defending intersex.

That said, transgender and transsexual are diferent things, because the commitment feature is removed. You know the therapist would be asking (if s/he saw this thread) why you faile to resist if you knew better, right?

I know about the Reimer case. It's funny you mention it, because iirc it was used as an example by people like Judith Butler for their warped argument that the biological basis of gender doesn't matter, it's all socially constructed etc. Obviously that's not my view at all.
As for intersex people, I agree that it's best not to do any surgeries until they're old enough to make their own informed decisions.
Dude, you enjoy arguing in this forum way too much. Do you really think this is a productive use of your time? I'm a miserable loser, and even I feel unhappy about not resisting the temptation to comment here. Unless you're a total bum who has got nothing going on in his life, you should feel even worse and seriously consider if this is worth it.

If gender is a social construct, why argue in favor of it, instead against it?

That's why i come and go from the forums. I was actually just telling someone in private a couple hours ago that there seem to be some things happening on the forums that suggest the quantity of crap will inevitably drown out the sound arguments relatively soon, so it's not worth any time. How am i to know what others speak if i don't poke and prod them into doing so? The shallow first arguments everyone seems to make isn't their deepest and realest thoughts. I mean, sure, i could stop bothering to understand those who disagree with me, but what has that accomplished? While I have the time, due to how things are going, it's not a bad investment, IMO. Oh, we're in the same club, but i don't feel it as some sort of irresistible temptation, as demonstrated by my coming and going. Why do you find it so tempting if you have that much contempt for it?
He's not making that argument. He's saying the opposite.

you are singularly the most utterly deluded, misinformed and non-christian person i have had the misfortune to witness on these forums in recent times.
read an actual holy bible and not whatever the local "preacher" is selling.

Yes, GOG could add 18+ warning as on porno sites. But i think they didn't like this idea.
~"WARNING This site is for adults only!........ I am 18 or older [ENTER]"

I am not asking him why *he* is making an argument, but why Butler and others do it; why to make such an argument at all?