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makasouleater69: You also have to remember windows doesnt really show you how much free memory it has, becauee it resereves alot of it.
I'm not planning on getting Windows for the new computer, so what Windows does isn't particularly relevant here.
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makasouleater69: You also have to remember windows doesnt really show you how much free memory it has, becauee it resereves alot of it.
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dtgreene: I'm not planning on getting Windows for the new computer, so what Windows does isn't particularly relevant here.
why not ? windows is the best
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dtgreene: I'm not planning on getting Windows for the new computer, so what Windows does isn't particularly relevant here.
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Orkhepaj: why not ? windows is the best
Post, on this forum, a legal link to a public repository containing the Windows kernel source code. If it is not possible to do this, then Windows is clearly not as good as Linux.

The Linux kernel's source code can be easily found on kernel.org, and it's under a free license (GPL2 for those who are wondering and don't already know).
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makasouleater69: You also have to remember windows doesnt really show you how much free memory it has, becauee it resereves alot of it.
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dtgreene: I'm not planning on getting Windows for the new computer, so what Windows does isn't particularly relevant here.
Sorry missed that part. I want to thank you though, between that and thr last post ypu guys inspired me to free my self from thr clutches of microsoft.
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Orkhepaj: why not ? windows is the best
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dtgreene: Post, on this forum, a legal link to a public repository containing the Windows kernel source code. If it is not possible to do this, then Windows is clearly not as good as Linux.

The Linux kernel's source code can be easily found on kernel.org, and it's under a free license (GPL2 for those who are wondering and don't already know).
That is ture and u inspired me, and the op to remove it from my computer and go linux.

damn ir says it doesnt support my cpu :(
Post edited December 01, 2020 by makasouleater69
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.Kaby: 16GB is still enough
Yeah it is. I even process video and find that 16GB is enough. For gaming also. However if you find a great deal on 32GB (like you can get it for a proportionally better price than 16GB) and can get that in the same foot-print as the 16GB, and can afford that extra, why not?

Other than that i've not experienced any situation where 32GB would make that big a difference to my system and how i use it.
Weird question. Do games actually take advantage of the 16 extra GB if you have 32gb ??.. always thought games never did... and if a game did it would use the video memory not ram itself?.
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Niggles: Weird question. Do games actually take advantage of the 16 extra GB if you have 32gb ??.. always thought games never did... and if a game did it would use the video memory not ram itself?.
Many people do more on their PC than just gaming. And yes, games do also use a lot of main memory too.
If the OP is going to be using the Graphics portion of his 3400g then faster RAM is ideal because APUs like faster RAM and if you can afford it at least 3200 or 3600mhz RAM is ideal.
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Niggles: Weird question. Do games actually take advantage of the 16 extra GB if you have 32gb ??.. always thought games never did... and if a game did it would use the video memory not ram itself?.
There are a few games that require 32GB of RAM but those a very few and far between. There are users out there who game and do video editing and do stuff with Virtual Machines which takes up a lot of RAM.
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Niggles: Weird question. Do games actually take advantage of the 16 extra GB if you have 32gb ??.. always thought games never did... and if a game did it would use the video memory not ram itself?.
Only one ive seen Gal civ 3
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Niggles: Weird question. Do games actually take advantage of the 16 extra GB if you have 32gb ??.. always thought games never did... and if a game did it would use the video memory not ram itself?.
Perfectly legit question.

There's no beneficial difference when it comes to games as you can't see the few extra fps' it might produce, on average no more than 3-7 extra depending on the game and the GPU. VRAM, on the other hand, is actually much much more important here.

Based on tests this year alone, even 16BG RAM is overkill for purely gaming (again, depending on the game and GPU). Buying 32GB RAM for gaming alone is like dumping money on fire. RAM is only needed to hold data that isn't crunched on at the moment (think of it like a big warehouse, so renting a huge warehouse you're not going to use all the space in is a waste), so having a faster/better GPU/CPU and more L1/L2 cache/VRAM is more beneficial at this point.

Techquickie - How Much RAM Do You ACTUALLY Need? (2020)

But, do note, this thread isn't about the typical gaming rig.... f.ex.VMs quickly eats up RAM. Compiling and programming doesn't use much memory at all, with the exception of really huge projects in C++ f.ex.

One can use tools like RAMMap to map out memory usage in Windows.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/rammap
https://channel9.msdn.com/shows/defrag-tools/defrag-tools-6-rammap

Also, something that was mentioned earlier; Windows usually allocates more than it uses, or actually needs.

tl;dr: Many VMs/containers, heavy rendering, 8K fanatics, and complex simulations are really the only things that needs more than 16GB. So, 16GB is more than enough for the vast majority of people out there.
Post edited December 02, 2020 by sanscript
As some users above mentioned, you won't see any difference in gaming between 16 GB and 32 GB as of now. It can be useful however when it comes to virtual machines. If you're low on budget, 16 GB should satisfy your needs. Save the rest of the money for CPU and a decent graphics card. These are more important than 32 GB RAM.
Post edited December 02, 2020 by Sarafan
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sanscript: Compiling and programming doesn't use much memory at all, with the exception of really huge projects in C++ f.ex.
Note that the situation where compiling uses up large amounts of RAM comes up when using Gentoo, as certain packages (like Chromium and LibreOffice) are, in fact, huge C++ projects.

(Note that any other source-based distro that offers these packages has the same issue.)
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sanscript: Compiling and programming doesn't use much memory at all, with the exception of really huge projects in C++ f.ex.
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dtgreene: Note that the situation where compiling uses up large amounts of RAM comes up when using Gentoo, as certain packages (like Chromium and LibreOffice) are, in fact, huge C++ projects.

(Note that any other source-based distro that offers these packages has the same issue.)
Of course, everything is relative, and poorly optimized code and bug within the compiler itself is the worst offensive here, but from what I can gather, these aren't the type of huge projects I was thinking of. C and python seem to only use a few MB per 100.000-200.000 lines which is excellent for embedded archs like Arduino and RPI.

What I can read is that even 12 is more than enough for big projects, but someone that is far more experienced in different types should answer that more definitively with numbers. Perhaps one saves only 5 seconds with more RAM than 12-16... idk.
Post edited December 02, 2020 by sanscript
There is something freeing about 32Gb. It's enough where i can dump half my memory into a ram drive, and that's enough to copy nearly any game to and play from ram, avoiding hickups. Also being able to just disable the virtual swap memory, but you can do that at 8Gb.

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Flyby: Somehow my pc uses 12GB at rest
Windows decides that if it doesn't have to free something it won't, it will just move it to 'cached' stuff, usually files and file access related stuff.
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teceem: Depends on which and how many programs you like running (simultaneously).
Or if you like not donig as much disk access writing. I'll do a lot of temporary file work on a ramdrive for example which can eat up a dozen Gb, then keep the wanted results and drop everything afterwards. Even having to enable file compression in NTFS occationally lets me work with stuff that expands to enormous amounts but with basic compression makes it far less so (due to how files just store structures in the uncompressed state).
Post edited December 02, 2020 by rtcvb32
get what you can afford and upgrade later