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krakataul: Main misunderstanding seems to be: you are talking about corporate owned copyright, and I am concerned about individual authors (H.C.Andersen, C. Robin, M. Twain, E. Hemingway, J.R.R. Tolkien, A. Sapkowski or Lucas Pope, Jeff Vogel...etc.) as I don't see how can you take away authors ownership during their lifetime?
A lot of 'personal' copyright stuff eventually goes to corporate. Be it works for hire law (someone pays you to do something, you own the created works) or be it a large company like Disney purchasing rights to make Marry Poppins movies (and they were denied for a loooooong time... until the author was running out of money). I've also heard some authors that want their works to go public after it's no longer in print but contractually those given rights to make said books/audio won't let them either.

With the copyright they often say they split it into different parts. Who can produce the TV shows, the movies, the music, the games, the toys, the theme parks related to said properties, and on and on.

Selling temporary access to something isn't safe either as you've seen Bethesda gobble up Interplay's Fallout games and then they act like they always owned it. Then Fox who has nothing they really can do for Fantasic 4 will create utter shit movies every so often just to keep something they have no plans for rather than letting it return to marvel. (At present Disney could just hand it back as they have the fox AND the Marvel acquisitions but that's another matter)

Unless you are at the lowest denominator where you are producing your own items for your own works and selling them by hand, at some point it has to go corporate to some degree. And if if you do it as a business you might make a company, like Walt made the Walt Disney company which has more leverage as a business than as a person in order to secure loans to further the business. And the eyes of the law a Business is a legal entity, but since they can't die the copyright went from life+70 to something like 114 years. Get sued your property is a little too close to being something like they have and you have to sell your work or lose everything to the giant company.

Then you have evil EULA. Use an iPhone? There's reports of it uploading personal music and encoding it and letting you redownload a recoded (not original) works, and it being on the cloud they much like ICQ, Discord, Deviant Art and several other places that once it's on their platform, they can choose to use it whether you want to or not because it's in the EULA, just a little more obvious with D&D and WotC OGL revamp license where they could use your stuff without giving you anything for it.

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krakataul: I guess you are focused on corporate copyright, in EU it lasts for 70 years after publication. In USA it is something like 95-125 years if I remember correctly. It seems little exaggerated, but then again, that's U.S. politics for you :)
Everything eventually goes through corporations, and it's once the original creators are gone that the corporations go evil. It's repeatedly the same pattern i'm seeing. An individual's created books/arts is unlikely to have that huge an impact. But you likely can't make money until you start selling off your ownership piece by piece. And if you don't read the fine print, they may slip in legalese language where hiring you or printing your work requires you to relinquish all rights to them.

As such i hope Disney goes bankrupt, i hope the copyright gets shortened, and i hope that the politicians can get replaced with people who give a damn and aren't in their 80's. I hope the insanity stops, and i hope for a much better brighter future.
Post edited March 28, 2024 by rtcvb32
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Not going to waste my energy when GOG won't waste their energy either.

I disagree with piracy but why is this my responsibility rather than GOG's?
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lupineshadow: Not going to waste my energy when GOG won't waste their energy either.

I disagree with piracy but why is this my responsibility rather than GOG's?
Just another endless controversial topic that will never have a solution, created so they can post more than they usually do.
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krakataul: I guess you are focused on corporate copyright, in EU it lasts for 70 years after publication. In USA it is something like 95-125 years if I remember correctly. It seems little exaggerated, but then again, that's U.S. politics for you :)
That's Disney owning the lobby for you. They would lobby for laws to change in their favor everytime the protection on the mouse was about to expire.
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rtcvb32: Besides, who created/invented the Little Mermaid? It wasn't Disney, they just made an iteration FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN that they then claim rights over, and if anyone would do a better job than them they would sue them into oblivion.
I doubt it. There are dozens of Little Mermaid movies and many of them was made after the Disney version.

https://www.imdb.com/find/?q=little%20mermaid&ref_=nv_sr_sm

Disney can't sue when you make a movie from Hans Christian Andersen's story. They can and will only sue, if you'll make something that is extremely similar to their version (which is quite different from the original story).
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rtcvb32: Besides, who created/invented the Little Mermaid? It wasn't Disney, they just made an iteration FROM PUBLIC DOMAIN that they then claim rights over, and if anyone would do a better job than them they would sue them into oblivion.
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PaterAlf: I doubt it. There are dozens of Little Mermaid movies and many of them was made after the Disney version.
Perhaps, but they obviously weren't as good or better than what Disney had put out as one of their classics and were no real threat.

That didn't stop them from muscling in on Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland movie in development, doing their own spin and variant on the story, and Disney told them to sell to them or be sued into oblivion. So it's own variant instead become closer to a remake under their direction. Alas I'm having trouble finding those details.
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rtcvb32: Be it works for hire law (someone pays you to do something, you own the created works).
An american standard thats not really legal in the free world.
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rtcvb32: Be it works for hire law (someone pays you to do something, you own the created works).
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Sachys: An American standard thats not really legal in the free world.
So if i asked you to oh i don't know, paint a portrait of me and my family, do i pay you and you walk home with the painting?

Or if i asked you to paint my house, do you now own my house since you own the rights on the painting?

If i write a technical paper and paid you to look for typos do you suddenly have copyright on my paper because you made notes where i had a the the noted double word?

If i had you make me a meal does that mean i don't get to eat it because your copyright on the specific variant of seasonings can't be infringed on by me eating it?
Post edited March 28, 2024 by rtcvb32
If they ask for help and I can help them, I should not ask for proof of ownership before I do so.

BECAUSE:
1.I neither condemn nor condone piracy. I claim neutrality and plausible denyability of probable civil disobedience.
2.If it's not worth buying I won't play it, but I am not going to buy it until I know it's worth playing. I have to be the final judge of that.
3.Wish most refund policies were better, game prices were reasonable, all developers offered a demo and the paying customer always received a better product than those who brave the high seas.
Post edited March 28, 2024 by NotMyGOG
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NotMyGOG: the paying customer always received a better product than those who brave the high seas.
So you want DRM?

You are full of shit you know.
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lupineshadow: So you want DRM?
You are full of shit you know.
Your language is not as poor and empty as the lack of proper translation.
Post edited March 28, 2024 by NotMyGOG
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lupineshadow: So you want DRM?
You are full of shit you know.
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NotMyGOG: Your reply is not as rude as not using a proper translator.

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lupineshadow: So you want DRM?
You are full of shit you know.
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NotMyGOG: Your language is not as poor and empty as the lack of proper translation.
Sorry for the previous accusation, see below:

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lupineshadow: snip
Post edited March 29, 2024 by lupineshadow
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lupineshadow: At least I can spell deniability, you racist fuckface :)
Mistakes happen, and you seem to belong to that list.
Post edited March 28, 2024 by NotMyGOG
A ton of people will see things as a "victimless crime" unless someone is suffering right in front of them, and I doubt that ever changes.
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Sachys: An American standard thats not really legal in the free world.
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rtcvb32: So if i asked you to oh i don't know, paint a portrait of me and my family, do i pay you and you walk home with the painting?
yes you take the painting home, but the copyright remains with the author unless a copyright transferral contract is signed (usually involving an additional fee and royalty arrangements).
Post edited March 28, 2024 by Sachys