Posted February 18, 2016

Rusty_Gunn
I like big bots
Registered: Sep 2013
From United States

YaTEdiGo
Vegan Gamer
Registered: Apr 2009
From Taiwan
Posted February 18, 2016



So, no, you are not a Dragon, I am ok that you consider yourself one, but you are not. The same way you can drive cars without hands if you are disabled and fight to find the way, but still, the fact is that you dont have hands. Nothing wrong or good on it.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by YaTEdiGo

Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted February 18, 2016

And please, will some oppression olympics nut explain to me how a majority has power over a minority when the constitution guarantees equality? What abuse of the majority? Will the constitution allow the ''majority'' to pass legislation banning the hiring of a particular group of people? Just please explain to me how exactly an unorganized heterogeneous group of ''majority'' voters can do whatever they wish to the ''minority''. Please, explain.

Post edited February 18, 2016 by Shadowstalker16

dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted February 18, 2016
low rated

1. If a majority of voters like a candidate over the others, the candidate will be elected.
2. If a majority of those in the legislature like a bill, and no procedural trick is used, the bill will be sent to the governor. If the governor likes said bill, it will become a law.
Therefore, if the majority likes any given bill, it will likely become law. This means that minorities are screwed in this respect.
Also, keep in mind that any bill, even one that is blatantly unconstitutional, has the potential to be passed by a legislature and enforced. At that point, it is necessary for the courts to step in and actually enforce what the constitution says. Of course, Judges are failable, and they are usually either elected (in which case, see above) or appointed by someone who is elected.
Also, read this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted February 18, 2016
As was already said, the anti-discrimination rights are already there in any halfway modern country, no need for creating additional ones for privileged minority groups.
Shadowstalker16: And please, will some oppression olympics nut explain to me how a majority has power over a minority when the constitution guarantees equality? What abuse of the majority? Will the constitution allow the ''majority'' to pass legislation banning the hiring of a particular group of people? Just please explain to me how exactly an unorganized heterogeneous group of ''majority'' voters can do whatever they wish to the ''minority''. Please, explain.
dtgreene: Consider the following:
1. If a majority of voters like a candidate over the others, the candidate will be elected.
2. If a majority of those in the legislature like a bill, and no procedural trick is used, the bill will be sent to the governor. If the governor likes said bill, it will become a law.
Therefore, if the majority likes any given bill, it will likely become law. This means that minorities are screwed in this respect.
Also, keep in mind that any bill, even one that is blatantly unconstitutional, has the potential to be passed by a legislature and enforced. At that point, it is necessary for the courts to step in and actually enforce what the constitution says. Of course, Judges are failable, and they are usually either elected (in which case, see above) or appointed by someone who is elected.
Also, read this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority That's why we need better enforced constitutional rights instead of more laws that stand in conflict with equality and therefore the constitution. The cat is biting its own tail here.


1. If a majority of voters like a candidate over the others, the candidate will be elected.
2. If a majority of those in the legislature like a bill, and no procedural trick is used, the bill will be sent to the governor. If the governor likes said bill, it will become a law.
Therefore, if the majority likes any given bill, it will likely become law. This means that minorities are screwed in this respect.
Also, keep in mind that any bill, even one that is blatantly unconstitutional, has the potential to be passed by a legislature and enforced. At that point, it is necessary for the courts to step in and actually enforce what the constitution says. Of course, Judges are failable, and they are usually either elected (in which case, see above) or appointed by someone who is elected.
Also, read this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
Post edited February 18, 2016 by Klumpen0815

dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted February 18, 2016
low rated

Edit: Remove comment that is basically the same as my next post.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by dtgreene

dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted February 18, 2016
low rated
What happened to my previous post?
Edit: It's visible now. It seems that this topic briefly succumbed to a forum bug that I have previously seen in other topics.
Edit: It's visible now. It seems that this topic briefly succumbed to a forum bug that I have previously seen in other topics.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by dtgreene

Rusty_Gunn
I like big bots
Registered: Sep 2013
From United States
Posted February 18, 2016


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Emob78
jack and coke plz
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted February 18, 2016


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People need to know the difference between a right and a privilege. One you can exercise on your own with no permission asked nor given. Privilege usually comes at the price of sacrificed freedom. Very obvious (and expensive) cost.

Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted February 18, 2016


1. If a majority of voters like a candidate over the others, the candidate will be elected.
2. If a majority of those in the legislature like a bill, and no procedural trick is used, the bill will be sent to the governor. If the governor likes said bill, it will become a law.
Therefore, if the majority likes any given bill, it will likely become law. This means that minorities are screwed in this respect.
Also, keep in mind that any bill, even one that is blatantly unconstitutional, has the potential to be passed by a legislature and enforced. At that point, it is necessary for the courts to step in and actually enforce what the constitution says. Of course, Judges are failable, and they are usually either elected (in which case, see above) or appointed by someone who is elected.
Also, read this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
Also, while the first point you mentioned is completely normal and common, the legislation is almost never a clean dichotomy and between majority and minority nor is there any guarantee of majority elected legislators being 100% in favor of discriminatory legislation and vice versa.
And of course since everything is connected, there is only a little far you can go in legislating in equality without messing up something else.
But if we forget for a second that legislators have their own beliefs and do legislate in favor of the minority, it depends on many other factors like the population of the minority, percentage of groups in political participation, etc. Its not just two homogeneous clans fighting in parliament.


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Post edited February 18, 2016 by Shadowstalker16

Dessembrae_
New User
Registered: Dec 2013
From Sweden
Posted February 18, 2016


1. If a majority of voters like a candidate over the others, the candidate will be elected.
2. If a majority of those in the legislature like a bill, and no procedural trick is used, the bill will be sent to the governor. If the governor likes said bill, it will become a law.
Therefore, if the majority likes any given bill, it will likely become law. This means that minorities are screwed in this respect.
Also, keep in mind that any bill, even one that is blatantly unconstitutional, has the potential to be passed by a legislature and enforced. At that point, it is necessary for the courts to step in and actually enforce what the constitution says. Of course, Judges are failable, and they are usually either elected (in which case, see above) or appointed by someone who is elected.
Also, read this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
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Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted February 18, 2016
This seems almost too outlandishly crazy to be true : http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gender-laws-a-country-against-men/
Can any Spanish GOGers confirm?
Can any Spanish GOGers confirm?
Post edited February 18, 2016 by Shadowstalker16

Gnostic
New User
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted February 18, 2016

Can any Spanish GOGers confirm?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12146274/Prosecutors-slowed-down-CCTV-in-case-of-commuter-cleared-of-bizarre-sex-assault-on-actress.html
So I don't think it is unique to Spain.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by Gnostic

Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted February 18, 2016

Can any Spanish GOGers confirm?
As a man, calling the police because of domestic violence is a bad idea in general, it will make things MUCH worse.

LeonardoCornejo
Magic researcher
Registered: Jan 2013
From Mexico
Posted February 18, 2016

Can any Spanish GOGers confirm?
In the end it is funny that dtgreene complains about the "Tirany of the majority" and would not acknowledge that cases such as that of Spain are a "Tyrany of the minority".