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Posted November 18, 2015
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sethsez: As would I, although sim companies tend to be very fond of DRM. In the case of shmups, multiple companies have approached GOG to distribute their games and GOG turned them away.
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tinyE: Are you insinuating EA games is into DRM just because they tried to charge players for gas? :P
EA hasn't made sims in ages. :-P

But yeah, in general sim companies tend to be very... paranoid, and they typically love having as much control over the product as possible. GOG ain't gonna be seeing iRacing, Assetto Corsa or DCS World any time soon.

But to bring it back on topic, Degica is actively trying to get Mushihimesama on here and GOG is telling them to wait for Steam sales numbers first. Which is just asinine if you ask me... if you're convinced that the shmup fanbase is relatively small, why wait until a large chunk of it has already purchased the game on a competing platform?
Posted November 18, 2015
You can add Strania to that list -- just announced for Steam. Here's the wishlist link: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/strania

In any case, it's become comically stupid at this point. We can get heaps of generic, oftentimes barely passable indie RPGs or managerial sims, but when it comes to some of the best examples of a less traditionally PC genre, we have to beg and plead for it. Even in cases where - like with Mushihimesama - the developer wants to bring it to the platform. I'm not saying the generic Euro stuff has to disappear, but I don't think it would kill GOG to acknowledge that the PC game market isn't as limited as it was a decade ago, either.
Post edited November 18, 2015 by Chacranajxy
Posted November 18, 2015
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Chacranajxy: In any case, it's become comically stupid at this point. We can get heaps of generic, oftentimes barely passable indie RPGs or managerial sims, but when it comes to some of the best examples of a less traditionally PC genre, we have to beg and plead for it. Even in cases where - like with Mushihimesama - the developer wants to bring it to the platform. I'm not saying the generic Euro stuff has to disappear, but I don't think it would kill GOG to acknowledge that the PC game market isn't as limited as it was a decade ago, either.
GOG hemming and hawing on Mishihimesama is honestly kind of embarrassing because Cave is a big deal to shmup fans. How would adventure game fans have responded if GOG turned down Lucasarts or Sierra? If GOG wants any credibility in this particular genre, they need to bring Degica/Cave on board. There must be someone there who knows what's up because they got Crimzon Clover and that game doesn't have the profile of the Cave games.
Posted November 19, 2015
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Chacranajxy: In any case, it's become comically stupid at this point. We can get heaps of generic, oftentimes barely passable indie RPGs or managerial sims, but when it comes to some of the best examples of a less traditionally PC genre, we have to beg and plead for it. Even in cases where - like with Mushihimesama - the developer wants to bring it to the platform. I'm not saying the generic Euro stuff has to disappear, but I don't think it would kill GOG to acknowledge that the PC game market isn't as limited as it was a decade ago, either.
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andysheets1975: GOG hemming and hawing on Mishihimesama is honestly kind of embarrassing because Cave is a big deal to shmup fans. How would adventure game fans have responded if GOG turned down Lucasarts or Sierra? If GOG wants any credibility in this particular genre, they need to bring Degica/Cave on board. There must be someone there who knows what's up because they got Crimzon Clover and that game doesn't have the profile of the Cave games.
It's pretty clear that nobody at GOG really knows or cares to know the genre. They're a bunch of old-school PC gamers, which means they'll go to bat for Tyrian and Raptor and think the rest can take a flying leap.
Posted November 19, 2015
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andysheets1975: GOG hemming and hawing on Mishihimesama is honestly kind of embarrassing because Cave is a big deal to shmup fans. How would adventure game fans have responded if GOG turned down Lucasarts or Sierra? If GOG wants any credibility in this particular genre, they need to bring Degica/Cave on board. There must be someone there who knows what's up because they got Crimzon Clover and that game doesn't have the profile of the Cave games.
This. Seriously.

If an indie Shmup like Crimzon Clover gets through and not Mushihime, then GOG are being ignorant of a genre and a fanbase to the point of offense.

GOG, Wake Up. Cave is a big deal. You are only hurting everyone by balking on this deal.
Post edited November 19, 2015 by ReynardFox
Posted November 19, 2015
I wrote to GOG about this. Here's the reply I got:

Hello,
I'm sorry to see that you are disappointed by our decision, but we must be very selective with what games we accept for release.
GOG has a boutique approach to games and our goal is to give justice to each game we release. Due to this, we have to limit the amount of releases, and to do this, we unfortunately have to reject many of the submissions, so that those that are approved get proper exposure on the storefront. Our BizDev and QA teams thoroughly research and evaluate every incoming title, but I'm afraid that I am unable to disclose the details as to how exactly they make their final decision.
I appreciate your understanding.
Post edited November 19, 2015 by sethsez
Posted November 19, 2015
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andysheets1975: GOG hemming and hawing on Mishihimesama is honestly kind of embarrassing because Cave is a big deal to shmup fans. How would adventure game fans have responded if GOG turned down Lucasarts or Sierra? If GOG wants any credibility in this particular genre, they need to bring Degica/Cave on board. There must be someone there who knows what's up because they got Crimzon Clover and that game doesn't have the profile of the Cave games.
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ReynardFox: This. Seriously.

If an indie Shmup like Crimzon Clover gets through and not Mushihime, then GOG are being ignorant of a genre and a fanbase to the point of offense.

GOG, Wake Up. Cave is a big deal. You are only hurting everyone by balking on this deal.
This.
Posted November 19, 2015
Sad indeed. This situation sucks for everybody. I will probably finally cave in and install Steam to get Eschatos and Strania, I will not wait another 5-10 years to finally play these games on PC. Once I cross that line and Steam is installed on my machine, honestly, I don't see any reason to go back to GOG.
Posted November 20, 2015
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sethsez: I wrote to GOG about this. Here's the reply I got:

Hello,
I'm sorry to see that you are disappointed by our decision, but we must be very selective with what games we accept for release.
GOG has a boutique approach to games and our goal is to give justice to each game we release. Due to this, we have to limit the amount of releases, and to do this, we unfortunately have to reject many of the submissions, so that those that are approved get proper exposure on the storefront. Our BizDev and QA teams thoroughly research and evaluate every incoming title, but I'm afraid that I am unable to disclose the details as to how exactly they make their final decision.
I appreciate your understanding.
Yes. We must be sure such classics as Mini Metro, Braveland Pirates, and Runestone Keeper get their due.

Again: I don't think the occasional shoutout to something different is going to tank the business. Releasing Eschatos isn't going to kill sales for those games; those games are precisely lame enough to do that on their own.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by Chacranajxy
Posted November 20, 2015
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Chacranajxy: Yes. We must be sure such classics as Mini Metro, Braveland Pirates, and Runestone Keeper get their due.
I can think of dozens of games on here that contribute nothing to the genres they're in.

What's going to look better in the eyes of your userbase GOG? Taking a little risk now and then on a genre, trusting in what people are saying in the forums? Or flat out rejecting shit you don't understand whilst coming across as complete snobs?

GOG staff: Just because you're not personally invested in a genre, doesn't mean you should stay ignorant of it.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by ReynardFox
Posted November 20, 2015
I'm pretty annoyed with this as much as some of you guys, but...
Once I cross that line and Steam is installed on my machine, honestly, I don't see any reason to go back to GOG.
This seems like a bit much.
Posted November 20, 2015
We need Xenon 2
That's a masterpiece and maybe my childhood's favourite of this genre.
Posted November 20, 2015
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RayRay13000: I'm pretty annoyed with this as much as some of you guys, but...

Once I cross that line and Steam is installed on my machine, honestly, I don't see any reason to go back to GOG.
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RayRay13000: This seems like a bit much.
I mean, I get it. I like supporting GOG. I like the whole DRM-free thing, and I think that makes any given game on GOG superior to buying the game on Steam.

But when you reach the point where more and more cool stuff (primarily Japanese-developed games) are coming out on Steam, and almost none of them make their way over to GOG, what's the point? If that's your jam, chances are that you're quickly reaching the point where the service has no value anymore. There were at least 3 great Japanese-developed games announced for a PC release this week, and I have no faith in GOG to secure any of them. That's unfortunate.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by Chacranajxy
Posted November 20, 2015
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Chacranajxy: But when you reach the point where more and more cool stuff (primarily Japanese-developed games) are coming out on Steam, and almost none of them make their way over to GOG, what's the point?
The principle is the point. For me, steam holds no value because I take DRM very seriously, I will not stand for it. Period. I value owning what I pay for, I value knowing that in the event of a shutdown or internet outage nothing is going to prevent me from playing my games.

For those like me, GOG is our only bastion of hope in a world dominated by services that bend you over. Sure I miss out on some games, shit happens, but I value my morals and principles far more than convenience and conformity.
Posted November 20, 2015
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ReynardFox: GOG, Wake Up. Cave is a big deal. You are only hurting everyone by balking on this deal.
Waaaaaaiiiit a minute... You're saying Cave wants their games on GOG, but GOG aren't letting them? What the actual fuck?! Seriously GOG, this is completely unacceptable...
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