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Spy_Gentleman: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/142875-Valve-Really-Wants-Paid-Mods-to-Work

As long as it's in a form of a optional "Donate" button and they won't get most of the money but modder. I am fine with that. But if they won't, eat dirt Valve.
I thought this was about their community moderators finally working. :-) But as it is about THAT again, good luck with the EU law. There are strict things, requiring you essentially to provide working software, and you can't say "hey, the official patch broke it but it worked fine previously, so no refund as you used it for already 121 minutes before it broke after you bought it yesterday".
Post edited October 29, 2015 by Protoss
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Protoss: I thought this was about their community moderators finally working. :-) But as it is about THAT again, good luck with the EU law. There are strict things, requiring you essentially to provide working software, and you can't say "hey, the official patch broke it but it worked fine previously, so no refund as you used it for already 121 minutes before it broke after you bought it yesterday".
The chances that something works for 121 minutes and then breaks are rather small however, especially when not applying anything in between. The laws probably also requires that you give them the chance to repair the thing before you can even ask for money back. So they may be able to fix it with another patch.
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Socratatus: Yea, well this cute picture of rainbows and butterflies existed for 20 years quite happily, probably from even before you were born. So pretty persistent rainbows and butterflies.
Then probably also nobody needs to fear that free modding will not persist on if suddenly the gates open and paid modding is possible. In this case one would rather expect two worlds in coexistence.

Rainbows and butterflies in perfect harmony with sharks and wolves.
Post edited October 29, 2015 by Trilarion
While some people were upset for paying for something they once received for free and the huge cut that VALVe/Bethesda took. That was never a real issue.

The real problem, which the majority of people (including the press) did not grasp, was VALVe and Bethesda trying to treat Mods as paid software while ignoring all the legal responsibilities and requirements.

End consumers had no protection, no guarantee that their purchases would work a week later.

Modders had no protection from plagiarism and derived or dependent works could make money from the greater efforts of others without the creator of the original works or tools being compensated.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe these Skyrim mods are not ring fenced by an in game compiler or limited command set, but could include any code the modder wished to code. Read and write any file the OS/User permissions allowed.

All in all it was a complete mess. It was looked like that actions of an inexperienced hobbyist rather than a collaboration of two multi billion dollar companies.

I'm not against the idea of paid mods. But if you are going to make money from your work via a multinational store you need to act according to the laws that guide such work.

According to the EULA for Skyrim all User Created Content belongs to Bethesda. That means ultimately the buck stops with Bethesda. Any Paid mod system still including that type of clause must have the controlling entity as the responsible party.

To that end, there should be an official mod program for any company looking at paid mods. To sell a mod it must be registered through the program, where it can be vetted and peer reviewed before hitting the stores.

Now of course this means extra work from the company, but if they followed Bethesda and VALVe taking a 50 and 30% cut then its only right they work not only for their money but to ensure the safety of their customers.
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Protoss: I thought this was about their community moderators finally working. :-) But as it is about THAT again, good luck with the EU law. There are strict things, requiring you essentially to provide working software, and you can't say "hey, the official patch broke it but it worked fine previously, so no refund as you used it for already 121 minutes before it broke after you bought it yesterday".
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Trilarion: The chances that something works for 121 minutes and then breaks are rather small however, especially when not applying anything in between. The laws probably also requires that you give them the chance to repair the thing before you can even ask for money back. So they may be able to fix it with another patch.
I can give them that chance but I don't need to. It all depends on the specific circumstances. If it worked fine for 2 hours before, then however giving them the chance to repair it is pretty much required, yes.