Posted May 03, 2018
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
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BreOl72
GOG is spiralling down
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted May 03, 2018
>For me, it's the exact oppsite: if I want to do stealth (I love stealth!), but am forced to go all guns blazing
(like GR:Wildlands does from time to time).
>Also, all of a sudden - limited time only, to achieve some goal.
Especially, when -for the majority of the game- the devs let you play in your own pace, as long as you don't screw things up (again: GR:Wildlands does that in some missions).
But I like and enjoy Wildlands, nonetheless - it just makes me wanna throw something out of the window, from time to time. :)
>In turnbased games - a turn limit.
Let me play in my own pace - I'll definitely find a way to screw missions up, even without limited turns.
>Games, that don't let you progress after a certain point, if you don't fulfill a certain amount of points, etc., thus excluding you from parts of the game, that you also paid for.
The most rage-inducing example I can think of, would be (for me) the Wii game "Boom Blox", by EA.
Yeah - I know, I know...git gud! That really helps.
But honestly: I don't know how often I tried one of the later levels in that game, without making the least necessary amount of points to progress to the next level.
Maybe I'll have to explain: the game lets you win a level in three stages (bronze, silver and gold). The more points, the better.
However - you must reach at least bronze, to progress - no negotiations on this. It's bronze or bust!
In that one level, you'd have to get (I can't remember...let's say...) 2000 points to get bronze, and thus get to the next level.
Never got I more than 1990 points...never - not a single time. Ten fucking points always missing.
For me, it's very seldom, that a game makes me so angry, that I have to go out and take a walk...just to calm down, breath to ten and relax...
But this game managed that rare feat.
I also did invite others to come and try it...to no avail. Nobody made it to the 2000 point mark, most didn't even come close to me.
So, I paid for that game, and I can't play it entirely, just because of some arbitrary number, set by the devs.
If the devs would instead have included the possibility to move on with some punishment (no medal for this level/ malus on the total points, whatever, really) I'd be fine with that...but they didn't.
And that sucks.
Oh yeah - especially in games that are no racing games.
I remember one of the earliest levels in "Vietcong", where you'd had to drive in a limited time to an outpost.
The game as such is a true classic, one of my most beloved shooters - and that's the crux - it's a shooter, not a driving game.
I don't know, how often I had to retry that level, before I finally made it to that outpost. :)
(like GR:Wildlands does from time to time).
>Also, all of a sudden - limited time only, to achieve some goal.
Especially, when -for the majority of the game- the devs let you play in your own pace, as long as you don't screw things up (again: GR:Wildlands does that in some missions).
But I like and enjoy Wildlands, nonetheless - it just makes me wanna throw something out of the window, from time to time. :)
>In turnbased games - a turn limit.
Let me play in my own pace - I'll definitely find a way to screw missions up, even without limited turns.
>Games, that don't let you progress after a certain point, if you don't fulfill a certain amount of points, etc., thus excluding you from parts of the game, that you also paid for.
The most rage-inducing example I can think of, would be (for me) the Wii game "Boom Blox", by EA.
Yeah - I know, I know...git gud! That really helps.
But honestly: I don't know how often I tried one of the later levels in that game, without making the least necessary amount of points to progress to the next level.
Maybe I'll have to explain: the game lets you win a level in three stages (bronze, silver and gold). The more points, the better.
However - you must reach at least bronze, to progress - no negotiations on this. It's bronze or bust!
In that one level, you'd have to get (I can't remember...let's say...) 2000 points to get bronze, and thus get to the next level.
Never got I more than 1990 points...never - not a single time. Ten fucking points always missing.
For me, it's very seldom, that a game makes me so angry, that I have to go out and take a walk...just to calm down, breath to ten and relax...
But this game managed that rare feat.
I also did invite others to come and try it...to no avail. Nobody made it to the 2000 point mark, most didn't even come close to me.
So, I paid for that game, and I can't play it entirely, just because of some arbitrary number, set by the devs.
If the devs would instead have included the possibility to move on with some punishment (no medal for this level/ malus on the total points, whatever, really) I'd be fine with that...but they didn't.
And that sucks.
Oh yeah - especially in games that are no racing games.
I remember one of the earliest levels in "Vietcong", where you'd had to drive in a limited time to an outpost.
The game as such is a true classic, one of my most beloved shooters - and that's the crux - it's a shooter, not a driving game.
I don't know, how often I had to retry that level, before I finally made it to that outpost. :)
Post edited May 03, 2018 by BreOl72
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toxicTom
Big Daddy
Registered: Feb 2009
From Germany
Posted May 03, 2018
Point'n'Click Adventures
- When I know exactly what to do - but the character doesn't want to do it, because I missed clicking that one spot that triggers the "Aha, I have to do this next!" epiphany with them. I'm looking at you, Cognition.
- Pixel hunting (too many to name...)
- When there are lots of locations open, things to try, people to talk to and the game does not give any hint where the next one thing is that triggers progress. Hey Syberia, sounds familiar?
Shooters
- I second bullet sponges, esp. with human/humanoid enemies who should go down with a head shot
- Jump'n'run sections (Hello Turok!)
- Hose like levels - let me explore just a little!
RPGs
- When all character building and preparation is thrown out of the window, because the boss battle is some stupid game of skill completely ignoring everything you've invested in before. Yes, I'm looking at you, Two Worlds 2!
- Fancy sounding skills that are then not (or only once or twice) usable in the game.
Games with stealth elements
- Things that block you sight - but not that of the enemies. Far Cry, do you hear me?
Open world games
- Let me make my own map markers with note! Hell, Ultima Underworld could do this, why not Witcher 3 (or the TES games...)
- To much handholding - let me find my own way, please.
- When I know exactly what to do - but the character doesn't want to do it, because I missed clicking that one spot that triggers the "Aha, I have to do this next!" epiphany with them. I'm looking at you, Cognition.
- Pixel hunting (too many to name...)
- When there are lots of locations open, things to try, people to talk to and the game does not give any hint where the next one thing is that triggers progress. Hey Syberia, sounds familiar?
Shooters
- I second bullet sponges, esp. with human/humanoid enemies who should go down with a head shot
- Jump'n'run sections (Hello Turok!)
- Hose like levels - let me explore just a little!
RPGs
- When all character building and preparation is thrown out of the window, because the boss battle is some stupid game of skill completely ignoring everything you've invested in before. Yes, I'm looking at you, Two Worlds 2!
- Fancy sounding skills that are then not (or only once or twice) usable in the game.
Games with stealth elements
- Things that block you sight - but not that of the enemies. Far Cry, do you hear me?
Open world games
- Let me make my own map markers with note! Hell, Ultima Underworld could do this, why not Witcher 3 (or the TES games...)
- To much handholding - let me find my own way, please.
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nevarRed
� Gone �
Registered: Feb 2013
From Other
Posted May 03, 2018
Fetch quests in RPGs. Especially when you're near/at the level cap.
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toxicTom
Big Daddy
Registered: Feb 2009
From Germany
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Bad Hair Day
Find me in STEAM OT
Registered: Dec 2012
From Other
Posted May 03, 2018
Anything timed
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BreOl72
GOG is spiralling down
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted May 03, 2018
Oh yeah, or when you already clicked on every available hotspot, collecting all available items, but somehow, you can't progress.
And you wonder and you try the most silly combinations of things, because "something's gotta work, nah?"
And then - after endless minutes (maybe hours) of frustration, you are so desperate, that you click on long emptied hotspots again - and all of a sudden, a prior completely looted trashcan contains an item, with which you finally can progress the story.
But in no way is there any explanation, how it comes, that that new item appeared into that place.
I hate that kind of shit.
Edit: oh and bulletsponges, of course.
And/or bosses, that are per the game's story, just average human beings, but in a fight develop superhuman strenghts.
(Alpha Protocol, anyone? - that Russian flummy?)
And you wonder and you try the most silly combinations of things, because "something's gotta work, nah?"
And then - after endless minutes (maybe hours) of frustration, you are so desperate, that you click on long emptied hotspots again - and all of a sudden, a prior completely looted trashcan contains an item, with which you finally can progress the story.
But in no way is there any explanation, how it comes, that that new item appeared into that place.
I hate that kind of shit.
Edit: oh and bulletsponges, of course.
And/or bosses, that are per the game's story, just average human beings, but in a fight develop superhuman strenghts.
(Alpha Protocol, anyone? - that Russian flummy?)
Post edited May 03, 2018 by BreOl72
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TheGrand547
it is I, the
Registered: Nov 2017
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
Platforming sections, like the the dream sequences in max payne(which btw are a great anti-drug campaign), in games that don't have controls designed for it like third person and first person shooters
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dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
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One think I've encountered is situations where, in order to progress, you need to talk to everyone in town, and the town has at least one person who is easy to miss or forget about (like a prisoner in the town's jail).
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- When all character building and preparation is thrown out of the window, because the boss battle is some stupid game of skill completely ignoring everything you've invested in before. Yes, I'm looking at you, Two Worlds 2!
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- Let me make my own map markers with note! Hell, Ultima Underworld could do this, why not Witcher 3 (or the TES games...)
- To much handholding - let me find my own way, please.
In Arena, and Daggerfall (IIRC) you actually can make map markers with your own notes. The catch is that they only appear on the local map (no world map appearances), and in Arena the map will get cleared if you visit enough areas to fill the game's memory area designated for map storage. (Also, the clear is not done in a good way; the map removed is the one least recently created, not the one you least recently visited.)
Oblivion allows you to set (but not label) one map marker; the marker appears in blue and will appear on the compuass as well.
Does this bother you in other games? For example, does this bother you in a game like Ys (where you reach max level halfway through the game, but which I don't classify as an RPG), Castlevania 1 (where you can easily get two whip power-ups in the first level of the game, and then can't level it up for the rest (unless you die and are sent back to level 1), or Cave Story (where leveling up a weapon to level 3 is fairly quick, but you lose XP and can level down when you get hit)?
Post edited May 03, 2018 by dtgreene
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kharille
Missguided bioweapon
Registered: Dec 2010
From Hong Kong
Posted May 03, 2018
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Also, I agree with a previous comment about how RPGs hardly give the option to lie.
Would love to try hardcore but repeatedly travelling the same roads in fallout IV and skyrim would bore me.
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pkk234
-- derp
Registered: Dec 2012
From Japan
Posted May 03, 2018
Having a character's powers be taken away at the beginning for whatever reason.
I know it would be hard to make a game with a character that already has a full arsenal, especially for games like Metroid, but It just happens so often.
Honestly though, I don't know what other choice there would be. I don't want to play a game where i start off as power level 70 and end at like 75.
I know it would be hard to make a game with a character that already has a full arsenal, especially for games like Metroid, but It just happens so often.
Honestly though, I don't know what other choice there would be. I don't want to play a game where i start off as power level 70 and end at like 75.
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darktjm
Do not resuscitate
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
Two common jrpg features: stealing from enemies (why not just loot when dead? It's not like steeling from enemies in Fallout, where if you steal their gun they can't shoot you with it any more) and the fact that characters are over the hill at 20: if you haven't saved (or threatened) the world at least twice by the time you're 14, you're an abysmal failure.
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dnovraD
2023-08-14: Remember the Spaces!
Registered: Jul 2012
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
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As for the latter, I feel that's mostly an Asian sort of philosophy; that you're supposed to have your life figured out by 20 and if you haven't gotten into any role, well you're as bad as a Christmas cake in May.
Post edited May 03, 2018 by Darvond
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dnovraD
2023-08-14: Remember the Spaces!
Registered: Jul 2012
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
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I know it would be hard to make a game with a character that already has a full arsenal, especially for games like Metroid, but It just happens so often.
Honestly though, I don't know what other choice there would be. I don't want to play a game where i start off as power level 70 and end at like 75.
Not being able to fire a gun in a nuclear disposal facility? Makes sense. Not being able to equip a fireproof suit in a room on fire? Asinine.
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Okay, I understand, but could you get me this important plot item and then lose it several times?
Post edited May 03, 2018 by Darvond
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Matewis
By Toutatis!
Registered: Jan 2011
From South Africa
Posted May 03, 2018
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But it's not a general pet peeve applicable to the whole genre though. I think it just depends on the particular game and the particular level. That is, I don't need base building or reinforcements to be present in an rts level or anything like that. It's just that sometimes it works, and sometimes if fails miserably, and I think that with base building rts games it's very easy to quickly hash together a non-base building level that is just painful to complete. Age of Empires1&2, C&C1, KKND1&2 all come to mind.