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babark: I don't support the weird implementation of blasphemy laws here. Most people I speak to do not.

Unfortunately, I guess because it isn't them being oppressed in this case, most people simply ignore this problem and stay silent instead of doing something about it.
What needs to be done for change to happen? What do you need, and how can it be provided to you?
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MaximumBunny: What needs to be done for change to happen? What do you need, and how can it be provided to you?
Me personally, or people in Pakistan in general?

I don't think I personally have any power to change something here directly, although I do talk about it.

For Pakistan in general, I'd say education. That's the solution 99% of all the problems it is facing. Unfortunately, it hasn't been applied yet, and is a slow-moving solution anyhow, much too slow to help Aasia. I'm still hopeful that she'll might be released, though.
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babark: For Pakistan in general, I'd say education. That's the solution 99% of all the problems it is facing. Unfortunately, it hasn't been applied yet, and is a slow-moving solution anyhow, much too slow to help Aasia. I'm still hopeful that she'll might be released, though.
More like you have fanatics/extremists to worry about to build up any sort of momentum to get anything going. How can countries like yours reach the place you want to be at? Is there anything internationally that we can do to allow you to speak freely and raise awareness/support? And how would you be able to make these things from just an opinion of some of the people into the law of all of the people?

This is also something that would help other countries in similar predicaments. I'm just not quite sure how it can be accomplished without a "come in and remove the ones stopping us" if speaking out in Ghandi fashion would just lead to more executions and imprisonment rather than change. I'm hoping I just don't understand the situation enough and that you really have the options for political discourse amongst each other.
I'd like to play the devil's advocate here, so let me give the following example:

Suppose there's a hypothetical country that is not a signatory of any human rights convention nor is it subject to any similar international agreement. Suppose then that they admit to the rest of the world in a press release that, yes, they do sacrifice babies to their bloodthirsty god on a daily basis, but that it is a purely domestic thing that stays on their territory, and happens only to their citizens/subjects because it's their ancient tradition. Even the majority of population kind of supports it. Would any country then have the right to pressure that country into abolishing their "tradition" using any diplomatic, military or other (non-)violent means?
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MaximumBunny: More like you have fanatics/extremists to worry about to build up any sort of momentum to get anything going. How can countries like yours reach the place you want to be at? Is there anything internationally that we can do to allow you to speak freely and raise awareness/support? And how would you be able to make these things from just an opinion of some of the people into the law of all of the people?

This is also something that would help other countries in similar predicaments. I'm just not quite sure how it can be accomplished without a "come in and remove the ones stopping us" if speaking out in Ghandi fashion would just lead to more executions and imprisonment rather than change. I'm hoping I just don't understand the situation enough and that you really have the options for political discourse amongst each other.
The "quick" solution you're wanting would probably be a military dictatorship. It's happened a couple of times in the past, (although one of the times is what got Pakistan on this extremism road in the first place).
However, as I said, education really is a proper, long-term solution. It'll combat the extremism (usually recruited from the ignorant anyhow), the poverty, the illiteracy, etc.
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babark:
I thought Pakistan was a secular country as in people don't get executed for having their own religious beliefs and people do have freedom of speech right? Aren't blasphemy laws against secularism?
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huN73R: I thought Pakistan was a secular country as in people don't get executed for having their own religious beliefs and people do have freedom of speech right? Aren't blasphemy laws against secularism?
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"The Islamic Republic of Pakistan" is not a secular country. While of course it isn't illegal to be of another religion and practice it freely in Pakistan, it has a whole load of problems related to religious freedom.
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babark: However, as I said, education really is a proper, long-term solution. It'll combat the extremism (usually recruited from the ignorant anyhow), the poverty, the illiteracy, etc.
Well, even in the US we have the ignorant teaching their children that creationism is scientific and that evolution is an atheist agenda. If they had the power to make it a forced viewpoint they would instantly. People who have "the truth" don't care to learn the facts, and we just have to hope that they're not the ones in power when we need changes to be done. There is no changing these types of people who reject 'education' blatantly. The only solution is to make them a powerless minority by working on everyone else.

And you made me remember this quote: "Treat the earth well. It was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our children."
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Smannesman: I'm not shocked or surprised to hear such an opinion come from an American.
Hey, just the ones from the USA. Us Canadians are slightly less sure of ourselves regarding everybody else's business.
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realkman666: Hey, just the ones from the USA. Us Canadians are slightly less sure of ourselves regarding everybody else's business.
I'm not so sure.. I saw that documentary about the attempted Canadian invasion of the U.S.A., Canadian Bacon.
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realkman666: Hey, just the ones from the USA. Us Canadians are slightly less sure of ourselves regarding everybody else's business.
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Smannesman: I'm not so sure.. I saw that documentary about the attempted Canadian invasion of the U.S.A., Canadian Bacon.
If there had been enough maple syrup, man...
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SeduceMePlz: And yeah, the Western world is far from perfect, but we're not executing people for blasphemy. No, I don't need a history lesson: I am well aware of the horrors of our own past
..but not the present apparently. In Saudi Arabia, the land in the grip of our best dictator friends, atheism is now a crime akin to terrorism. An easier way to stop this would be to stop supporting this kind of behaviour of allies instead of using force elsewhere.
On the plus side, the catholic church has almost decided that homosexuals and divorced people are like human beings, and has canonized Pinochet's fan pope.

Also the current pope has mentionned that "god is not afraid of novelty". But the council didn't believe him. Meaning that they don't believe in the pope's infaillible. That's a novelty.
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SeduceMePlz:
There's been an improvement. Now it's just 26 years of jail time for blasphemy.(Different Case)

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Post edited November 29, 2014 by huN73R