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Posted April 26, 2011
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lukaszthegreat: heh. no wonder you guys have the highest number of prisoners in the world per capita.
That's entirely because of the morality police on drugs and the racists on immigration. Let them out and you'd have 40-60% fewer people in jail or prison, or more depending on where you looked.
Posted April 26, 2011
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TheJoe: It's much harder to reward someone for buying a movie than it is a game. With a game, we get support, updates, bonus bits and all sorts. For a movie, we get a movie.

For a DVD, we get a movie and a Making Of. Some commentary, some impossible to navigate menus etc. It's hard really to say "hey, you get more with our DVDs". Much harder than it is to say "hey, you get more with GOG.com".

You're absolutely right, though. Movie companies do have to make themselves respected, but without much more than good ouput it's really hard to do that. Craploads of bonus content for a two hour long epic just doesn't make much sense.

I really don't know how a movie company can reward you for buying their stuff. Closest they've got to that is giving you a pair of 3D glasses which are only good for the 3D version in the cinema. What else can you do? Free cups? Goodie bags? I really don't know.

At the same time, of course, it's harder to piss someone off with a movie than it is a game copy protection system.
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Aningan: Well for one thing they could do is make good movies for the customers not just whatever brings in some money. Take the superheroes movies for example. We had a couple that were nice and then Boom! All superheroes get mediocre movies. When you become a company that just milks it's titles for cash you won't get respect from your customers. I mean for some of those movies they just shit on the fans expectations.

And maybe, just maybe after about 5-10 years of getting money for the copyrights it would be nice to release them to public domain. Show you care about your customers, not just the mighty $$$.
I gotta disagree with at least part of this. Working from the idea of 'respect' with regard to the products offered, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Logically it should follow that if it's trash then you don't want it in the first place and won't download it; conversely, if you find it to be treasure then it has gained your respect and you will pay for it.

So where does the piracy come from? If you don't like it you're not taking it and if you do like it you're paying for it. The respect argument ignores the massive group of people who will take it for free because they can do so at a miniscule risk, regardless of whether or not they like the product or respect those who made it.
Posted April 26, 2011
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lukaszthegreat: heh. no wonder you guys have the highest number of prisoners in the world per capita.
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TheCheese33: I thought that was Australia? :P
If you have not kept up with current events since 1788 then almost all Australians are imprisoned criminals.
Posted April 26, 2011
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Tulivu: If you have not kept up with current events since 1788 then almost all Australians are imprisoned criminals.
And they'll stay that way until they straighten up and start making their slang make sense. =P
Posted April 26, 2011
Isn't Everyone missing the point here? We have the FBI and various international policing agencies enforcing what?....the need for greedy studios to preserve optical media when it should be deader than dinosaurs?. I mean when i was only 15 watching VHS i dreamed of a system that would allow me to store my media library in a single device..now we have media players in abundance and these retards are fighting for their right to turn back time? Also, what douche doesn't have the sense to hide ip if you're uploading sensitive stuff?.
Posted April 26, 2011
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Optix747: Isn't Everyone missing the point here? We have the FBI and various international policing agencies enforcing what?....the need for greedy studios to preserve optical media when it should be deader than dinosaurs?. I mean when i was only 15 watching VHS i dreamed of a system that would allow me to store my media library in a single device..now we have media players in abundance and these retards are fighting for their right to turn back time? Also, what douche doesn't have the sense to hide ip if you're uploading sensitive stuff?.
Actually, this had nothing to do with optical media. The guy took a preview copies he was given as a voting member of SAG and uploaded it on torrent before the movie companies had released the movies to the home market in any form, including digital downloads. A couple of these films were actually still in theaters when he did this.
Posted April 26, 2011
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Optix747: Isn't Everyone missing the point here? We have the FBI and various international policing agencies enforcing what?....the need for greedy studios to preserve optical media when it should be deader than dinosaurs?. I mean when i was only 15 watching VHS i dreamed of a system that would allow me to store my media library in a single device..now we have media players in abundance and these retards are fighting for their right to turn back time? Also, what douche doesn't have the sense to hide ip if you're uploading sensitive stuff?.
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cogadh: Actually, this had nothing to do with optical media. The guy took a preview copies he was given as a voting member of SAG and uploaded it on torrent before the movie companies had released the movies to the home market in any form, including digital downloads. A couple of these films were actually still in theaters when he did this.
I think the point being made is that this could have easily been settled in a different way. They know the guy who did it. They had his name and his address. Instead of seeking damages both for the damage done and punitive in the courts the FBI raided the guy's house and over movies he could be facing years in prison.

You can support punishing pirates all you want, but the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Posted April 26, 2011
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Hawk52: Instead of seeking damages both for the damage done and punitive in the courts the FBI raided the guy's house and over movies he could be facing years in prison.
No, not over movies. Over intellectual property, and its theft. That kind of crime shouldn't be answered with a slap on the wrist.
Posted April 26, 2011
Waste of money in my opinion. How many people actually pirate movies anymore? Its so cheap to get them on DVD now that there's not really any point to doing it.

Pirating games though will always be a bigger issue, but if anything the FBI should spend money trying to find any excuse to take down 4chan before worrying about pirates.
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Red_Avatar: You know what the biggest weapon in the fight against piracy is? RESPECT. Make your customers respect you and like you, and they won't rob you. Shitting in their soup and pissing in their wine, which most publishers are doing these days, is not the right way to do things.
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TheJoe: It's much harder to reward someone for buying a movie than it is a game. With a game, we get support, updates, bonus bits and all sorts. For a movie, we get a movie.

For a DVD, we get a movie and a Making Of. Some commentary, some impossible to navigate menus etc. It's hard really to say "hey, you get more with our DVDs". Much harder than it is to say "hey, you get more with GOG.com".

You're absolutely right, though. Movie companies do have to make themselves respected, but without much more than good ouput it's really hard to do that. Craploads of bonus content for a two hour long epic just doesn't make much sense.

I really don't know how a movie company can reward you for buying their stuff. Closest they've got to that is giving you a pair of 3D glasses which are only good for the 3D version in the cinema. What else can you do? Free cups? Goodie bags? I really don't know.

At the same time, of course, it's harder to piss someone off with a movie than it is a game copy protection system.
To be fair Blu Ray discs have so much more storage space than DVDs that they can hold even more special features on them than ever before, so you don't need a 3-4 disc DVD set for some good special features.
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Hawk52: Instead of seeking damages both for the damage done and punitive in the courts the FBI raided the guy's house and over movies he could be facing years in prison.
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nondeplumage: No, not over movies. Over intellectual property, and its theft. That kind of crime shouldn't be answered with a slap on the wrist.
I'm not sure intellectual property has as much to do with pirating and uploading movies on the internet. People who do that aren't claiming that they own the rights to them or that they made/produced them or that the movie was their idea.
Post edited April 26, 2011 by thelovebat
Posted April 26, 2011
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Hawk52: Instead of seeking damages both for the damage done and punitive in the courts the FBI raided the guy's house and over movies he could be facing years in prison.
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nondeplumage: No, not over movies. Over intellectual property, and its theft. That kind of crime shouldn't be answered with a slap on the wrist.
If you really think uploading a movie deserves years in prison when some violent offenses barely register more then that, your priorities are kind of whacked if you ask me.

Not to mention that there is absolutely no proof that piracy directly impacts sales. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You can see it with PC gaming. "We wont' support the PC games we make because they'll just be pirated anyway". So then lower sales result from the lack of effort they put in and they go "Look, see, It's been pirated so our sales are down!"

It is not a black and white issue no matter how much you or anyone wants it to be.
Posted April 26, 2011
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Hawk52: If you really think uploading a movie deserves years in prison when some violent offenses barely register more then that, your priorities are kind of whacked if you ask me.
That's a hell of a weird assumption.


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Hawk52: Not to mention that there is absolutely no proof that piracy directly impacts sales.
Another argument from ignorance. And the number of sales impacted by piracy is directly identical to the number of times an IP was gotten illegally.


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Hawk52: It is not a black and white issue no matter how much you or anyone wants it to be.
Yes it is, no matter how much people who want something for nothing wish they weren't in danger of being prosecuted.
Posted April 26, 2011
Poor guy. The movie is already widely available privately...
Posted April 26, 2011
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nondeplumage: FBI's in the right on this one.
Depends, did they bust in on a non-violent offender in full militarized gear? Then they were wrong.
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TheJoe: However, as mentioned before, totally wrong for the FBI to work on this. This is a police thing, surely. Really a waste of time for the FBI and 200x more terrifying for the uploader than it needs to be.
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nondeplumage: It's interstate commerce once it hits the Internet, making it a federal problem. A legitimate one, this time.

If people would bitch a lot louder and try to do something about the shit they actually should be keeping their hands off of instead of actual important shit like this, there'd be a whole lot less to bitch about afterward, since funds and manpower would be more than readily available.
It actually wasn't commercial, arguably it was outside of their purview. That FBI warning at the beginning of movies is warning you not to commit commercial infringement. There is a specific definition for this and "(may have) impacted sales" is not in it.
Post edited April 26, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted April 26, 2011
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orcishgamer: Depends, did they bust in on a non-violent offender in full militarized gear? Then they were wrong.
Where the hell did that come from?
Posted April 26, 2011
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lukaszthegreat: heh. no wonder you guys have the highest number of prisoners in the world per capita.
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nondeplumage: That's entirely because of the morality police on drugs and the racists on immigration. Let them out and you'd have 40-60% fewer people in jail or prison, or more depending on where you looked.
This is true, the vast majority of our prisoners are there directly or indirectly due to our war on drugs.
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orcishgamer: Depends, did they bust in on a non-violent offender in full militarized gear? Then they were wrong.
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nondeplumage: Where the hell did that come from?
If they did they followed poor procedure and could have hurt someone, including themselves, for no reason. I suspect they did do their Rambo impression and kick in the door with assault rifles. It just makes them a bunch of douches, violating safety procedures so they look cool, and to scare people via the media.
Post edited April 26, 2011 by orcishgamer
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