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lowyhong: What I noticed with regards to GOG's standards is that their support for the games seems to be falling compared to last time. In the past, games like DN3D have lists of mods/fanmade patches or tools posted up instantly upon their release. GOG was also more outspoken and posted more regularly on topics seeking help. However, lately it seems that a lot of recently released titles suffer from playability / compatibility issues, and GOG seems less responsive on that end.

Like a few others, I'm more worried about compatibility and support at the moment, than about game "quality".
Clearly it's impossible to make old games work on every system (even new games won't do that), but it does seem that recently a number of GOGs have been released that haven't been very well tested. They've exhibited compatibility problems that have been well known about for years, and the gog release hasn't changed much at all.
Gog staff have also been conspicuously absent from the forums of recently released games. I know they want support requests to go through the support system, and they've been good about responding to them, but lots of users go to the forums, and we are the only guys helping them there. At the very least they could collect up useful tips into a stickied FAQ for each forum.
Been waiting for Outcast to come on here, so i can finally ride a mount in that game... but recently I've begun to lose faith that if it shows up here that bug will be dealt with.
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anjohl: I am noticing that the concept of a "GOG" seems to have changed.

Has it? What exactly was the concept of a "GOG" in the first place?
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anjohl: At one time, people would refer to what games should become GOG's as if to say that it is an honor to be included, sort of like the Criterion Collection of DVD's.

Did they? I'm pretty sure they didn't. I've been around since GOG was nothing but a "coming soon"-frontpage, and just as many spoke out for an expansion of the catalogue at all costs to gain a better foothold back when the catalogue basically was Interplay.
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anjohl: However, with releases like Constructor 2, Bloodrayne 2, and VR Soccer, I wonder if that's still the case.

So you don't like those games. So what? Personally, I like both constructor and bloodrayne. Not VR Soccer, no, but nobody is pressuring me to buy.
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anjohl: I read in an interview that GOG often includes games due to publisher pressure in order to get other games...should GOG perhaps abandon this philosophy?

No. Would you see the Gabriel Knight series not released at all just so Call to Power 2 wouldn't make it to the catalogue? Obviously publishers are going to go for package deals with many games, some which they might only want to offload. More often than not it's going to beneficial to all parties to accept these deals. GOG gets more games and more income, the publisher gets more income, and the consumers get more games. What's not to like?
On the other hand, I've heard GOG officials state that they have turned games down also because they were just too damn poor. So they definitely don't do a carte blanche accept of all offers.
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anjohl: My ideal GOG would be one where you could largely buy games on faith, if you liked a particular genre.

This would be extremely naive consumer behaviour. Sellers and marketers are only after tricking you out of your money, no matter the quality of their product. Therefore, some research on your part is always required to make an informed purchase when it comes to what is essentially an entertainment product; hence subjective.
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anjohl: I woudl also like to see Amazon-style reccomendations based on other customers buying behavior. The current system seems very vague.

Agree on this. The current system seems completely random to me.
I used to think gog would have all the good OLD games , however it seems a vast majority of gogs OLD could just be 4years. There's me thinking i'd see lots of dos classics or old windows xp titles. Bloodrayne 2 ? , pointless so more games like kings quest , quest for glory , might and magic , or go older!
The wish list is a waste if time , come on whats the pointing of wishing for something if gog only adds the games either it wants to or can get hold of via the pub/dev. System Shock 2? , keep waiting.. Baldurs gate 2? keep waiting..
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PirateNeilsouth: I used to think gog would have all the good OLD games , however it seems a vast majority of gogs OLD could just be 4years. There's me thinking i'd see lots of dos classics or old windows xp titles. Bloodrayne 2 ? , pointless so more games like kings quest , quest for glory , might and magic , or go older!

My thoughts exactly! I was quite surprised when i've noticed so many of GOG users are actually more into new games, with only a nostalgic feeling forwards the oldies, and that the games of GOG are mostly quite fresh.
Huh, I'm 27 and i feel like an old man here, i wish GOG had some retirement gaming plan, like "Zork! Take that with Your morning pills!". I guess we'll get those older titles in packs eventually.
I imagine that, the older the game, the harder it is to find the rightful owner of the IP. The difficulty increases significantly when the publishing house is no longer exist and hadn't been assimilated by one of the big publishers.
For me GOG.com only has to change their release days. Two days in a week for release is not enough. I don't know how they are working for optimizing the game to work on XP and Vista (I know maybe because of this they are releasing the games only 2 days in a week) but at least they have to release games 4 days or so in a week. I don't have problems with games on GOG.com, they must release the games bad or good.
Post edited March 02, 2010 by acare84
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acare84: For me GOG.com only has to change their release days. Two days in a week for release is not enough. I don't know how they are working for optimizing the game to work on XP and Vista (I know maybe because of this they are releasing the games only 2 days in a week) but at least they have to release games 4 days or so in a week. I don't have problems with games on GOG.com, they must release the games bad or good.

I think the opposite. I think they need to slow down and make sure the games work better. Do more testing on more systems. Maybe put a bit of work into making some glide/driectx wrappers and other tools that'll improve compatibility for a number of games.
And having more time between releases would mean they could support the releases better, instead of just throwing it out there and then moving on to the next release.
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anjohl: I am noticing that the concept of a "GOG" seems to have changed.
At one time, people would refer to what games should become GOG's as if to say that it is an honor to be included, sort of like the Criterion Collection of DVD's.
However, with releases like Constructor 2, Bloodrayne 2, and VR Soccer, I wonder if that's still the case.
I read in an interview that GOG often includes games due to publisher pressure in order to get other games...should GOG perhaps abandon this philosophy?
My ideal GOG would be one where you could largely buy games on faith, if you liked a particular genre.
I woudl also like to see Amazon-style reccomendations based on other customers buying behavior. The current system seems very vague.
Thoughts?
BTW, remember, this *is* Anjohl, so no rational responses allowed. Just follow your kneejerk isntinct.

Ok, assuming GOG has 'lowered it's standards', something that I am personally on the fence about, then I would argue that such a change was inevitabl., GOG needs to keep growing in order to survive going up against the likes of Steam et all, and as such can't really turn down an offer because of a few - in some peoples opinion - rubbish games. If they have to take a few Bloodrayne's or Call To Power's in order to get Psychonauts or Arcanum etc, then they will.
Conversely, they may be delberately picking up games such as Bloodrayne, Phantasmagoria, Call To Power etc because they know they have a cult following, and that people will buy it.
As for for your argument itself, that GOG has lowered it's standards, I might remind you that some of the early games on the GOG catalogue include Kingdom: the Far Reaches; Sensible Soccer 2006 Invictus etc, not exactly worthy of the Criterion Collection, although I am sure some people like them. As has been said many times already on this thread: different strokes for different folks.
EDIT: One more observation: I will admit, when looking at a GOG press release for a new game, you can tell they know it's not a big release or they are not expecting a great reaction to it when they use the word 'solid' to describe it. I have seen that used several times, most recently on the Call to Power 2 release.
Post edited March 02, 2010 by Al1
Personally, I think the games they get have to take various routes and it is business after all.
The bigger issue is over time support for games seems to have fallen off. I think from the time Gorky 17 and its problems GOG has kept having new games arrive, while leaving other games to remain in a broken state.
All I can say, is at this point read the games forums to see if others are having troubles and see if there are resolutions to those troubles and then decide to buy or not.
I have held this stand since Gorky 17, and it has not changed yet.
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chautemoc: Long as it's loved by some, it's worthy of being here, regardless of whether or not I think it's crap.

Even the developer thought that Simon the Sorcerer 3D was crap.
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Al1: EDIT: One more observation: I will admit, when looking at a GOG press release for a new game, you can tell they know it's not a big release or they are not expecting a great reaction to it when they use the word 'solid' to describe it. I have seen that used several times, most recently on the Call to Power 2 release.

I'm glad GOG read your feedback *reads Phantasmagoria 2 press release* :P
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anjohl: BTW, remember, this *is* Anjohl, so no rational responses allowed. Just follow your kneejerk isntinct.

< knee-jerk reflex kicks ajohl in the nuts>
>_> sorry, reflex.
Uhm.. to actually add something meaningful to this post, I can only echo the statements 'some people might like it' and 'there have always been titles of dubious quality in the catalogue'.
And about GOG support: never had any problems with it. But I never took any problems to them either :p
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Navagon: Even the developer thought that Simon the Sorcerer 3D was crap.

Maybe GOG put it on their catalog for completionist's sake?
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Catshade: Maybe GOG put it on their catalog for completionist's sake?

There have been two further Simon the Sorcerer releases that aren't quite GOG-eligible. So completionists aren't going to be sated any time soon. So GOG could have 'delayed' the release of SS3D.
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Andy_Panthro: GOG should get as many games as it can.
Each game will bring people here, and the more downloads the more likely GOG will be able to get those big name games that we all really want.

This.
If you do not like a game, do not buy it. Yes, the site is called GOOD old games, but what is good is certainly subjective.