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Prator reminded me about this little funny country... it would be funny, like a bad cliche if it wasn't real.
Few picture sets i recommend browsing through:
http://www.travel-images.com/korean.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/asia_pac_unseen_north_korea/html/1.stm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytripsmypics/sets/72157604812751507/
and something more related to our interests:
Arcade in NK
A friend of mine in another fancy international school is going to North Korea for a week as part of some school enrichment program. Not to be confused with the uranium enrichment program. OH SNAP
The arcade link is worth a click, it's so amazing and when I first saw it two years ago I was in awe of how these people make do with very bad games.
Post edited April 04, 2010 by michaelleung
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michaelleung: A friend of mine in another fancy international school is going to North Korea for a week as part of some school enrichment program. Not to be confused with the uranium enrichment program. OH SNAP

make her/him write a blog/essay whatever about the trip so we can read it.
I live in (South) Korea, and have been across the border once, back in 2006. There was a national park open to tourists, about 20 miles on the other side of the border... you could only visit the park, not just wander around North Korea or anything... but it was pretty damn trippy, with soldiers holding red flags to stop everyone on the entire tour (~1000 people) if anyone took a picture of anything unauthorized (i.e. poor villages, the DMZ, etc.) instead of what they wanted you to take pictures of--the beautiful mountains.
I took lots of pics. http://picasaweb.google.com/LeonProfessional/KumgangsanNationalParkNorthKorea# if anyone's interested. Though, like I said, the *truly* interesting stuff I saw isn't in the photos b/c of the photo restrictions and surveillance.
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leonster: I took lots of pics. http://picasaweb.google.com/LeonProfessional/KumgangsanNationalParkNorthKorea# if anyone's interested. Though, like I said, the *truly* interesting stuff I saw isn't in the photos b/c of the photo restrictions and surveillance.

Cool pictures, the park looks amazing. Any idea whats carved into the rock in the waterfall pictures though?
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leonster: I took lots of pics. http://picasaweb.google.com/LeonProfessional/KumgangsanNationalParkNorthKorea# if anyone's interested. Though, like I said, the *truly* interesting stuff I saw isn't in the photos b/c of the photo restrictions and surveillance.
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Ralackk: Cool pictures, the park looks amazing. Any idea whats carved into the rock in the waterfall pictures though?

Not sure... if you mean the 2 Chinese characters in the waterfall picture... no idea, I can't read Chinese at all. The other picture of the "plaque" is in Korean, and while my Korean is nowhere near good enough to really understand it, I do know it's some form of pro-Kim-regime propaganda. :P
Awesome pictures, Seriously wish I could go........
Any chance they would be ok with a person with dual citizenship ? I mean... if I am only half an *evil* American...then again seeing my passport with stamps from Iraq and Afgan....
Dude, Leon... you are a day older then me....
Er wait... according to the passport page you are an US Resident... So was it because you teach in South Korea? Where do I sign up :)
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akwater: Awesome pictures, Seriously wish I could go........
Any chance they would be ok with a person with dual citizenship ? I mean... if I am only half an *evil* American...then again seeing my passport with stamps from Iraq and Afgan....
Dude, Leon... you are a day older then me....
Er wait... according to the passport page you are an US Resident... So was it because you teach in South Korea? Where do I sign up :)

Yep, I teach in South Korea... have for several years now. American citizen. :P No visa required for Kumgangsan at all, anyone can go (not sure about US military, though). As far as I know, though, it's shut down at the moment. Might have reopened, not sure... but tensions were kinda high, some ajumma wandered into a restricted military area and ran away when ordered to halt, etc. (Note I didn't feel threatened when I was there, even though it was only a couple months after the first N. Korea nuclear test.... over a milion people visited total throughout its years of operation.... I didn't wander into any military areas though either!)
Might reopen soon, possibly already? Kaeseong city was also open for tourists for about 6 months, last year--that closed too now though.
You know there's so many messed up places around the world it always boggles my mind how most people get stuck only on what gets shown on TV and promoted by the US gvnt. Not that N. Korea is not in a terrible state, but there's clearly worse
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BrowncoatGR: You know there's so many messed up places around the world it always boggles my mind how most people get stuck only on what gets shown on TV and promoted by the US gvnt. Not that N. Korea is not in a terrible state, but there's clearly worse

Gasp, shock, and amazement! People only care about the things they hear about? Preposterous.
I recently saw a rare report done by some aid workers. Apart from the usual stuff about people not having electricity in the winter or food on the table, one detail stuck with me.
They don't have enough fuel to use tractors et.c. to clear the snow from the main roads, so instead each village gets one part of the road that's their responsibility to keep clear. Using only standard shoveling equipment.
Of course, there are no cars on the roads anyway, because there's no fuel. So the report showed the aid workers driving through vast areas where the roads were full of people shoveling snow, and nothing else.
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BrowncoatGR: You know there's so many messed up places around the world it always boggles my mind how most people get stuck only on what gets shown on TV and promoted by the US gvnt. Not that N. Korea is not in a terrible state, but there's clearly worse

Actually, having visited there... I'd say North Korea is near the bottom of the barrel. I say this also having visited other poorer countries--most notable Laos (one of the lowest per-capita GDP's in the world, and also a Communist state) where the people I saw were in a much better overall state of well-being and happiness than in North Korea.
The economic side of it is one aspect... but the pure brainwashing and fear of doing or saying one tiny thing wrong is another. It's not even about being able to criticize the Kim regime--nobody does that there. The fear is that if you aren't enthusiastic ENOUGH in your blind loyalty, and don't shout loudly and strongly ENOUGH in support... you could be sent away... even though you were speaking in support of the guy!
The problem is there's no real fix. There might be some war hawks somewhere in the US who would advocate an invasion, but the North has one of the largest standing armies in the world, and more importantly has tens of thousands of pieces of conventional artillery pointed at the second largest metropolitan area in the world, Seoul. If there was a war, it would only last a few days or weeks before the technological superiority (and supply capabilities) of the South (and the US et al) would win out... but it would only take a few hours for Seoul to be leveled to the ground, before bombers could be scrambled to take out the artillery. So there won't be a war. The South isn't suicidal, and neither is the North (even if they talk a bit crazy at times).
I'm sitting in Ilsan, Korea, in Goyang City. You can look it up on Google Maps. I'm about 25 miles from the DMZ. About two miles out of town on the highway start the security fences patrolled 24/7/365 by armed forces. In any attack, I'd probably be gone within a couple minutes (unless I could run to the subway underground near my building fast enough!) I'm not really unsettled by this knowledge, as... like I said, there won't be a war. No one's suicidal here. The North knows they'd be gone within a few days, too.
Sanctions won't work. The North already doesn't participate in the world economy. There's nothing they really need from the world market, with a very few exceptions that the Chinese are willing enough to supply to them.
Diplomacy doesn't really work. The Kim regime plays a game of throw-tantrum... get concessions... act nice for a while... throw another tantrum... get more concessions... rinse, repeat.
Edging towards democracy won't work. Kim Jong-Il knows he would share the fate of Saddam Hussein if he were suddenly to open the country up... so he has no interest in that. Furthermore, the people there generally DO believe (through VERY tightly controlled access to information--no internet, no cell-phones, zero non-state-propaganda TV or news) that while life is hard in North Korea, they are the lucky ones, and capitalist pigs in other countries have it much rougher. (Yes, life may be hard now, but look at America! In their capitalist ways, millions are starving and begging there now! So goes the propaganda...)
The only real option is to wait it out and hope Kim Jong-Il's successor, his son reputed to possibly be more open-minded, will open things up in a few years when he takes over power. Here's hoping.... the South would like to be reunited as well.
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leonster: The only real option is to wait it out and hope Kim Jong-Il's successor, his son reputed to possibly be more open-minded, will open things up in a few years when he takes over power. Here's hoping.... the South would like to be reunited as well.

yeah. the current leader has to croak someday and fortunately his sons don't seem up to the job. so when it happens probably there will be struggle for power and the guy who wins might open the country up or will fear the collapse of whole regime.
or he will just continue what they started.
great post btw. +1
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Subs are out and we don't know where they are...
NK has nukes
Subs can shoot them
2012 here we come!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/26/2910229.htm
This is like SummerSlam but between two countries, and in May.