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So, let me get this straight; you will not buy the game because the guy supports marriage as one man and one woman?
If so, do you make it your job to do research on each and every game/software/item/everything you purchase; to make sure it lines up with your personal sensibilities, and political views?
Unless a person holds your views in life you will not buy from them, is that what is the take away here?
What's next? Maybe someone owns a dog and never had it spayed or neutered and should be shunned as they are not responsible with all the stray animals in the world. *sigh*
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: Honestly, I don't see how he's hateful.

He helped revoke the rights of same sex couples to marry. Now you know.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: if you look at the trends (as I'm sure you have), you'll see that support for gay marriage (and acceptance of homosexuality on the whole) is strongly tied to generation; that is, support goes up considerably each generation. It's only a matter of time before prop 8 is overturned and, I'd imagine, other states as well (except Texas and other stupidly backward states).

I agree that it is a matter of time. But how much time? And does change take place magically or are there people working to affect policy that deserve a little more credit than you afford them?
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: I understand why, but I think you're overreacting.

I don't understand why you think not buying a video game is overreacting.
excuse me,but isn't this a game thread ,or am i in the wrong place ?
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Faithful: So, let me get this straight; you will not buy the game because the guy supports marriage as one man and one woman?

Yes. Or, more accurately, he helped revoke the rights of same sex couples to marry. It is the aspect of rolling back human rights that is the disturbing component.
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Faithful: If so, do you make it your job to do research on each and every game/software/item/everything you purchase; to make sure it lines up with your personal sensibilities, and political views?

Yes, my attention to detail might surprise you.
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Faithful: Unless a person holds your views in life you will not buy from them, is that what is the take away here?

Not as such, no. I will not have my money funnelled into initiatives that will ultimately harm my own community.
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Faithful: What's next? Maybe someone owns a dog and never had it spayed or neutered and should be shunned as they are not responsible with all the stray animals in the world. *sigh*

How do I respond to something this dumb? Oh, I know: *facepalm.
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lackoo1111: excuse me,but isn't this a game thread ,or am i in the wrong place ?

You are in the general discussion branch of the forums: a place for general discussion. ;-)
Post edited May 27, 2010 by Darling_Jimmy
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Faithful: So, let me get this straight; you will not buy the game because the guy supports marriage as one man and one woman?

And what's the big deal with that?
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Faithful: If so, do you make it your job to do research on each and every game/software/item/everything you purchase; to make sure it lines up with your personal sensibilities, and political views?

Even if he doesn't research that sort of information on every purchase does that mean he should ignore information if he just happens to come across it?
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Faithful: Unless a person holds your views in life you will not buy from them, is that what is the take away here?

If one of their specific views is one you personally consider a serious issue then, once again, what is the big deal?
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Faithful: What's next? Maybe someone owns a dog and never had it spayed or neutered and should be shunned as they are not responsible with all the stray animals in the world. *sigh*

Well since you're doing the whole "what's next" thing how about you go the other way. Are you going to buy a game from someone who is trying to force racial segregation onto public establishments? How about someone trying to reverse women's suffrage? How about slavery?
"Downward spiral" type rhetorical questions are usually never a good argument.
He's simply choosing not to buy a game.
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Catshade: Here's the original link; look for comments from Mike Smith.

For those lazy to look:
"I can only imagine how hard it must be to be persecuted constantly, either for your sexual preference or chemical makeup. I think any of these hate crimes are inexcusable! Hate is a terrible thing that only destroys and makes life miserable. Denying people freedoms based on behaviors that are not illegal is also completely unacceptable.
I have nothing against homosexuals. I have members of my family that are homosexual. They are part of our family just like the ones who are not. I have friends that may or may not be homosexual. I don't know, I don't care. I don't bother to ask because it's not important to our friendship.
Not all supporters of Prop 8 are homophobic. I am a huge supporter of the traditional family. If you wanted to go ahead and take away any "tax break" or "legal benefit" from being technically "married". Or wanted to apply those benefits to all people that asked for them, that's fine.
I believe the family unit with a loving father and mother that take good care of their children is crucial to society. The more that unit is broken up via divorce, children out of wed lock, redefining marriage to something else, etc, the more unhappiness and instability will propagate through society.
But these are my beliefs that I hold sacred. These are what drive me to support different things. Not hate. I would love to have a solution that would make both the supporters of families and the homosexual community happy. All this hate and fighting is no good.
You can argue and debate all you want about what is socially right and what isn't, but hate on either side of the debate is always wrong.
That's all I have to say. I don't want to hold anything against anyone for their comments. Let's just drop this topic and get back to thing we have in common, the thing that would make us all instant friends if we were to see each other face to face. indie games.
Thanks."
I don't see anything hateful with that post. If you are against Prop8 there are lots of better examples of people to demonize in order to get others to agree with you. He just doesn't agree with gay marriage, get over it.
Anyway, I bought the game but I didn't like it very much. Maybe I'll give it another go later but it isn't very polished and I think it would have been better if it played like Sin & Punishment (N64).
Post edited May 27, 2010 by OmegaX
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Darling_Jimmy: He helped revoke the rights of same sex couples to marry. Now you know.

I didn't see where someone said he donated to pro-prop 8 groups.
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Darling_Jimmy: I agree that it is a matter of time. But how much time? And does change take place magically or are there people working to affect policy that deserve a little more credit than you afford them?

Not very much time. There are people who are working, and I love them for that. However, we have to pick our battles. However, I think doing something like this is harmful. This guy puts out his game and what does he see? People attacking him for his beliefs. Rightfully so? Yes, but it's only going to make the guy more antagonistic.
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Darling_Jimmy: I don't understand why you think not buying a video game is overreacting.

Not necessarily overreacting, but incorrectly reacting. I think there are more hateful people to get upset about.
Ask yourself: did making or selling this game do anything to assist with getting prop 8 passed? If the answer to that is yes, then boycotting the game is probably an appropriate response. If the answer is no (which is most likely the case), then not only is it not an appropriate response, those that do choose to boycott it are just as close-minded and bigoted as those Utah churches that paid for massive amounts of ad time to push the "prop 8 agenda". You can't expect someone to respect your point of view on something when you disrespect theirs by irrationally boycotting their business which has absolutely nothing to do with their socio-political views.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: we have to pick our battles. However, I think doing something like this is harmful. This guy puts out his game and what does he see? People attacking him for his beliefs. Rightfully so? Yes, but it's only going to make the guy more antagonistic.

I wouldn't call this a battle. I am not buying a video game. That takes even less effort than buying the video game and I get to spare myself the associated guilt.
Maybe I need to put this into context: I don't eat at McDonalds. The food is unhealthy. Why would I pay for something that is going to have a negative effect on my quality of life?
I'm sorry I can't debate all day. You have every right to disagree (of course) but I believe my opinion is justified and I won't be buying the game. That's all there is to that.
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Darling_Jimmy: I'm sorry I can't debate all day. You have every right to disagree (of course) but I believe my opinion is justified and I won't be buying the game. That's all there is to that.

That is half of it; the other half is seeking to dissuade others to not buy it by posting here.
This is conversation between the developer and someone else. I believe this is were his hate stance is known.
http://pastebin.com/f2fb7d770
I personally am slightly offended by the idea that one has to be raised by a man and a women to be stable and healthy. I was raised by a single mother and I have been quiet better off then some people I know of that had a father and a mother. Growing up to be a healthy individual is not dependent on having a mother and a father. It's complicated to narrow down but that individual needs love to grow up healthy from who ever.
Post edited May 27, 2010 by StealthKnight
Paypal only . No buy from me.
Shut up and leave your political crap out of my GOG. You're hateful if you don't believe in gay marriage, you're hateful if you believe in prochoice, I am a better person because I was raised to believe one thing, derp derp derp, derp derp derp.
Edit: I wasn't going to buy this until I saw haters, because the game looks pretty lame (although who knows, I may like it). So they can thank you all for the sale.
Post edited May 28, 2010 by Ashkc88
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drmlessgames: Paypal only . No buy from me.

Nah. It's gay-pal only.
Haha.
Get it ?
Paypal-->gaypal.
Haha.
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drmlessgames: Paypal only . No buy from me.
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Cambrey: Nah. It's gay-pal only.
Haha.
Get it ?
Paypal-->gaypal.
Haha.

Wow, witty!
Anyway, I bought and played the game ages ago, didn't really like it, actually. There is a great concept hidden away in the game, but it's not really working. And those new, free episodes they promised, I wonder if they will ever actually get made. It's taking them an awful long time..