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I'm glad the classic cRPG's have A-1 replayability!
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Coelocanth: I very much enjoyed the Eschalon series (third game is in the works), although I have yet to pick up any of Spiderweb's games (keep meaning to do so, but have such a backlog right now). Keep an eye out for Age of Decadence by Iron Tower as well. It looks like it will be very good and hopefully will release around the end of the year.
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mystral: Yes Age of Decadence looks very promising, although it's much closer to Fallout (the first two, not the recent ones) and Arcanum than to BG.
I loved Fallout 2 and I play Arcanum at the moment and plan to play Fallout after, so yeah, it looks promising :)
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Coelocanth: Keep an eye out for Age of Decadence by Iron Tower as well. It looks like it will be very good and hopefully will release around the end of the year.
I wouldn't necessarily hold your breath for that one. I remember when they were claiming it wouldn't be much longer as they were around 90% done... and that was around 2 years ago. The whole thing basically strikes me as the Duke Nukem Forever of indy titles.
Glad I'm not you. Glad I still get a ton of enjoyment from modern RPGs, even if they aren't exactly like the old ones.
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Coelocanth: Keep an eye out for Age of Decadence by Iron Tower as well. It looks like it will be very good and hopefully will release around the end of the year.
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DarrkPhoenix: I wouldn't necessarily hold your breath for that one. I remember when they were claiming it wouldn't be much longer as they were around 90% done... and that was around 2 years ago. The whole thing basically strikes me as the Duke Nukem Forever of indy titles.
True, but given the recent updates on their forums they're at the polishing stage.
Even they probably can't manage to spend years doing a few graphics improvements and bug-chasing.
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mystral: True, but given the recent updates on their forums they're at the polishing stage.
Even they probably can't manage to spend years doing a few graphics improvements and bug-chasing.
They had also made claims of being at the polishing stage 2 years ago. My general feeling is that it's a very inexperienced dev team, with no one that has any solid skills in project management. As a result they don't even really know themselves how far along in the project they are or how much work is actually left to do. I really do hope they finish and release their game, but it's not the kind of thing that makes regular and definitive enough progress to be worth keeping an eye on.
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Coelocanth: Keep an eye out for Age of Decadence by Iron Tower as well. It looks like it will be very good and hopefully will release around the end of the year.
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DarrkPhoenix: I wouldn't necessarily hold your breath for that one. I remember when they were claiming it wouldn't be much longer as they were around 90% done... and that was around 2 years ago. The whole thing basically strikes me as the Duke Nukem Forever of indy titles.
Oh yeah, I'm aware of that, but as Mystral pointed out it does actually look like they're close to finishing. Anyway, I'm checking in on it periodically. No rush from my perspective since I have more than enough to keep me occupied. But once it's finally released (hopefully soon), I think it looks like it'll be a good game.
Post edited May 31, 2011 by Coelocanth
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orcishgamer: To be fair, some of these are good games (though I don't really want to have sex with NV like Delixe:) I can see why one wouldn't put them in the same category of some of the classic RPGs, though.
Yeah they're good enough. Witcher 2 is fine but I cringe when people compare it to the older RPGs.
*whistle* Inquisitor *whistle*
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StingingVelvet: Glad I'm not you. Glad I still get a ton of enjoyment from modern RPGs, even if they aren't exactly like the old ones.
I still get enjoyment as I finished them. But playing the game, I always hope for something more original, more unusual... And I like some of the modern approach like "mana" or magic replenishing itself without the need to rest 8 hours at a very specific place... But now, all big video games companies "play it safe" by not going outside the box. But it was also the case for most old games because the games like Planescape Torment or Sanitarium (for example) weren't the majority.

But for newer games, I get the most enjoyment by playing indie games like Machinarium, Braid, The Void, VVVVVV, etc.
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xaemar: I played to Dragon Age: Origins to the end because it was supposed to be the new Baldur's Gate 2 but the only good parts were the music and the gameplay in my opinion. The story and characters were so generic, uninspiring, "cliché" and boring imho. And the graphics too were generic.

And now I finished The Witcher 2 and I felt that the only good parts were the graphics and the music, with the gameplay being alright (it's nice to have some difficulty) and the story and characters being also very weak.

I am the only one who is so much dissatisfied with the story of recent RPGs? Or did I miss the new RPGs with the best stories? Do you have any recommendations?
My personal opinion about that is nowadays the only modern rpgs that can offer a deep experience are MMOs, into specific WOW or RIFT for fantasy and EVE as space sim.
The fact is im an old gamer and i find too the modern rpgs lacking aspects like freedom and deeper dialoges, more interaction and decent menus anyway lately i find also the old crpg gems lacking in aspects i feel necessary.
After 6 years of MMO play i can tell I really miss some aspects only present in mmos, in primis the living economy, the depth in professions and character builds, but not less the cooperation and the challenge of real ppl, only mentioning the fact you can customize everything with tons of addons to build up your perfect UI.
So besdie the fact ofc nearly all the mmos around have a monthly fee and they require to have a lot of time to play, you may try them if you never did.
PlaneScape Torment is right up there with System Shock 2 in terms of vastly overrated games. That's not to say either are bad games; on the contrary, they are excellent titles that everyone should play. It's just that they get elevated to this deity-like status, when in reality games like The Witcher 2 and Dragon Age: Origins could stand toe-to-toe with them.
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TheCheese33: PlaneScape Torment is right up there with System Shock 2 in terms of vastly overrated games. That's not to say either are bad games; on the contrary, they are excellent titles that everyone should play. It's just that they get elevated to this deity-like status, when in reality games like The Witcher 2 and Dragon Age: Origins could stand toe-to-toe with them.
Honestly i strongly disagree with your point, anyway i respect it.
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TheCheese33: PlaneScape Torment is right up there with System Shock 2 in terms of vastly overrated games. That's not to say either are bad games; on the contrary, they are excellent titles that everyone should play. It's just that they get elevated to this deity-like status, when in reality games like The Witcher 2 and Dragon Age: Origins could stand toe-to-toe with them.
DAO is good for a spiritual successor, but no way in hell able to take on games like Planescape Torment and Baldur's Gate 2 in terms of epicness.
To be honest, although I am a fan of most older RPGs and thought Dragon Age quite boring storywise, most of the old games get more credit than they really should. I played the holy grail of rpg fandom Fallout 2 just last week again and.. honestly, it isn't nearly as good as we all remember. Sure the setting is fun, but the game itself? Pretty boring combat, questhubs with usually 3-4 quest and most of them not that creative or involving.
I think a lot of the praise older games get is simply due to the fact, that we had to fill a lot of blanks with our imagination due to technical limitations and by that had more the chance to make the worlds and the chars our own. Not to mention we were a lot less spoiled and used to certain kinds of story.
Oh and don't forget games like PS:T weren't the standard, but already in their time something rare and mostly the kind of rpg nearly noone bought.