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F4LL0UT: Sure, but still, "Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games" makes it sound like it was completely impossible
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ET3D: It obviously is possible, but I think that the chance of being banned when you don't do anything questionable, especially if you're just buying and playing single player games, is lower than the chance of being in a car accident.
True.
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Faenrir: How many times has this happened ? Seriously ? People are just complaining for nothing, steam isn't removing games. You can buy them there, sure you might not have them in 50 years but who cares, i doubt you'd still play them in 50 years anyway...probably due to the lack of computers that would work with them by then. Steam doesn't use resources while you play btw, just deactivate the ingame steam menus.
Also, most of the games can be cracked so if you really can't stand the non-drmfree part, buy the game and crack it.
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monkeydelarge: Steam still uses resources because it needs to run in the background.

And just recently Steam removed the awesome soundtrack from the Steam version of GTA San Andreas... http://www.gog.com/forum/general/recent_steam_gta_san_andreas_update_removes_songs_and_and_resolution_options/post1

Sure, you can buy Steam games and crack them but why do that when you can just buy a GOG version?
I never said you should buy on steam when it's available on gog, did I ?
Obviously, DRM Free is always better but when they're not available anywhere else (happens often with AAA games), well get used to steam. And it barely uses any resources...if you feel the impact, change your computer imo.
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zeroxxx: Chance of Steam closing down in the near future is slim to none. With all they money they keep making, and the fact that they dwarf all other Digital Distributors combined, it is really not possible to see it happens anytime soon.

Also, even if Valve are out of business, some other companies will buy them likely. They will be the one to provide us with bandwith and servers to download our games.
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niky45: large companies have fallen.... they're always the ones everybody thought they were too big to actually fall.

I certainly don't see steam disappearing, say, next year. but give it enough time.

about the other distributors, well, all of them want to have their own client, and some of them have started not publishing their games on steam but only on their own client (battlefield saga comes to mind).

and other company buying them... that would happen ONLY if the other company thinks they can get their money back. but if steam falls, it will be quite hard to get any money back from there.....

since, you know, those things are not like, one day, Gabe decides to close.... it's more like they have a ton of debts which they can't pay.

... I'm off to play those capitalism games and guesstimate the chances of steam closing.
I've said it before but because of how huge Steam is not just in terms of digital distribution but infrastructure and how tied it is as a whole to the industry (something no other distributor can say), I see it more likely that another entity would take over Steam from Valve. The transition may or may not be as smooth but I think it's highly unlikely that everyone's library would just disappear.

Steam (as a business) is highly successful and highly profitable, I can see some major company wanting a piece of it.
Post edited November 19, 2014 by synfresh
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synfresh: I've said it before but because of how huge Steam is not just in terms of digital distribution but infrastructure and how tied it is as a whole to the industry (something no other distributor can say), I see it more likely that another entity would take over Steam from Valve. The transition may or may not be as smooth but I think it's highly unlikely that everyone's library would just disappear.
yeah, yeah... I'm sure they though that of Lehmann Brothers. and look at what happened. and I'm sure it hasn't been the only one (here in my country we have seen many examples, although none of them of that magnitude... I think. we also have had some banks near bankruptcy and the government injecting money so they could continue operating).

but whatever, I don't see any government rescuing Steam, they hate videogames too much.
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synfresh: I've said it before but because of how huge Steam is not just in terms of digital distribution but infrastructure and how tied it is as a whole to the industry (something no other distributor can say), I see it more likely that another entity would take over Steam from Valve. The transition may or may not be as smooth but I think it's highly unlikely that everyone's library would just disappear.
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niky45: yeah, yeah... I'm sure they though that of Lehmann Brothers. and look at what happened. and I'm sure it hasn't been the only one (here in my country we have seen many examples, although none of them of that magnitude... I think. we also have had some banks near bankruptcy and the government injecting money so they could continue operating).

but whatever, I don't see any government rescuing Steam, they hate videogames too much.
Still goes back to the point I made earlier, typical gamers are not doing deep philosophical thoughts when and if Steam 'fails' and why should they? The service is highly popular and highly successful and I'd say it's in the high 90 percentage range that there are issues playing games on it.
I'm just saying, steam going down is a possibility we shouldn't ignore.

if you are okay with that, that's fine. I myself have quite a library there.

BUT please, don't act / speak as if steam CAN'T actually disappear.

Still goes back to the point I made earlier, typical gamers are not doing deep philosophical thoughts when and if Steam 'fails' and why should they?
THIS is the problem. they really should, well, not maybe "deep philosophical thoughts", but at least "hey, this may not be forever". thats neither deep nor philosophical, is it?

I mean, some people have spent a lot of money there (say, 300 games at 5€ - that's A LOT of money). they act as if it will last forever, but the day it isn't there.... I don't want to think what will happen. also, problem is, we buy way more games than we play, with the hope that someday we'll play them. but that day may never come if steam goes down.... see what I mean?

I just prefer to have some on my games on other platforms (say, GOG), just in case.
Say, now that i forced the poor retailer to compensate me and provide me with a new game with useable code, and ended up with a couple of steam games (metro bundle), i noticed something ugly.

"I cannot talk with other people, on other games i own, but not through steam store!"

Here, on gog, i can discuss any game i feel like, without need to buy it to do so. What is wrong at steam's? Why the blackmail and ban? I was thinking of discussing on Bloodlines, since i own a hard legit copy, but found out i could not, unless i purchase it from steam store...

Is this for real? To discuss on a game there, you have to pay up to buy its steam version?
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toxicTom: Just to be sure: When you clicked login, was there an input field for the email address or just an emailaddress as text and a button to switch to another account? See attached images.
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Adokat: It looks like the first, only there's someone's email already there.

I just tried it again, and I saw a different email address. Someone with the first name Sebastien, and I'm witholding the last name, at a French email address.

Definitely couldn't be from any computer I've signed into, and these being French names makes me think that GoG's adoption of French has gone wrong. I mean, it seems like I could keep logging out and get the email addresses, which often include personal names, of people using the site. I'm not sure what nefarious purpose someone could do with it, but it's worrying.
Just want to drop it here:

That's how I managed to logged in your account. When I clicked the login in the community page it prompted me random username and email. I didn't really put much thought about it at that time so I entered my password like usual and it happened.

If you check your library under the 'messages' you see two messages I sent to a friend of yours, the one who gave you a Steam key? I said something about GOG's fault and logging out? You should check it out. Don't worry even if you have credit credentials in your account I wouldn't even look at it. I;m still studying but I can afford games if I really want the game :D

I'm just dropping here from time to time like now collecting stamps. Off to Steam again.
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Adokat: It looks like the first, only there's someone's email already there.

I just tried it again, and I saw a different email address. Someone with the first name Sebastien, and I'm witholding the last name, at a French email address.

Definitely couldn't be from any computer I've signed into, and these being French names makes me think that GoG's adoption of French has gone wrong. I mean, it seems like I could keep logging out and get the email addresses, which often include personal names, of people using the site. I'm not sure what nefarious purpose someone could do with it, but it's worrying.
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StealthMomo: Just want to drop it here:

That's how I managed to logged in your account. When I clicked the login in the community page it prompted me random username and email. I didn't really put much thought about it at that time so I entered my password like usual and it happened.

If you check your library under the 'messages' you see two messages I sent to a friend of yours, the one who gave you a Steam key? I said something about GOG's fault and logging out? You should check it out. Don't worry even if you have credit credentials in your account I wouldn't even look at it. I;m still studying but I can afford games if I really want the game :D

I'm just dropping here from time to time like now collecting stamps. Off to Steam again.
Yup, I saw the message you left.

I haven't heard back from the support tickets I left.
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niky45: I'm just saying, steam going down is a possibility we shouldn't ignore.

if you are okay with that, that's fine. I myself have quite a library there.

BUT please, don't act / speak as if steam CAN'T actually disappear.

Still goes back to the point I made earlier, typical gamers are not doing deep philosophical thoughts when and if Steam 'fails' and why should they?
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niky45: THIS is the problem. they really should, well, not maybe "deep philosophical thoughts", but at least "hey, this may not be forever". thats neither deep nor philosophical, is it?

I mean, some people have spent a lot of money there (say, 300 games at 5€ - that's A LOT of money). they act as if it will last forever, but the day it isn't there.... I don't want to think what will happen. also, problem is, we buy way more games than we play, with the hope that someday we'll play them. but that day may never come if steam goes down.... see what I mean?

I just prefer to have some on my games on other platforms (say, GOG), just in case.
I don't know if they don't ask that. Like I posted earlier, the average Steam user knows what they are getting into when they use the service and like anything on the internet there is always the possibility that service will cease to be. Yea, I know Steam is not 'forever', it's just not something that is in the forefront of my mind or even that concerning to me because I have no reason to be concerned. The service hasn't been unreliable for me in all the years I've been playing games on it, I've never been prevented from playing any game I ever purchased and there is no indication that Valve is going to suddenly stop running Steam in the foreseeable future (in fact quite the opposite, it continues to grow in users). I think the average Steam user thinks like I do.
Post edited November 19, 2014 by synfresh