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Posted May 22, 2014
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jamyskis: You can imagine how the plebs would react to that.

"GOG.com is selling abandonware!"
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JudasIscariot: Oh, you mean like how people react now? :D
the people that think GOG is selling abandonware are either uneducated on the legalities surrounding the games and their IP etc or just morons.

Just because a game is old they think its abandonware and they should be given it free.
Posted May 22, 2014
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JudasIscariot: Oh, you mean like how people react now? :D
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reaver894: the people that think GOG is selling abandonware are either uneducated on the legalities surrounding the games and their IP etc or just morons.

Just because a game is old they think its abandonware and they should be given it free.
Well, I just like the obvious oxymoron :)

"selling abandonware" hehe :)
Posted May 22, 2014
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JudasIscariot: Well, I just like the obvious oxymoron :)

"selling abandonware" hehe :)
Well there have been people selling "WLAN wire" on eBay, so why not?
Posted May 22, 2014
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gorrister666: Jesus, one forgets there was a time when computer games were 80 fucking dollars.
Remarkable. In those days I was just a little kid and obviously wouldn't buy games myself but my brother bought a few major titles right after release (like Pacific Strike, Panzer General, Rise 2 and Command & Conquer) - and oddly enough the highest prices he paid were 100 DM (the old German currency, worth roughly 0.5 USD back then). I always thought that US prices were lower than European ones back then.
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Strijkbout: If System Shock gets streamlined controls it becomes a run'n'gun shooter instead of making a tactical approach to every situation.
Now that's an interesting theory on clunky controls. I've mostly played it with the mouse look patch applied but frankly I didn't see the game getting any shallower this way. It just felt better. :P

But I can somewhat understand your concern because I hate everyone who plays Doom with mouse look. Admittedly I don't think that Doom is any more "tactical" when playing it with keyboard controls but mouse look still feels just wrong in this game.
Post edited May 22, 2014 by F4LL0UT
Posted May 22, 2014
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gorrister666: Jesus, one forgets there was a time when computer games were 80 fucking dollars.
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F4LL0UT: Remarkable. In those days I was just a little kid and obviously wouldn't buy games myself but my brother bought a few major titles right after release (like Pacific Strike, Panzer General, Rise 2 and Command & Conquer) - and oddly enough the highest prices he paid were 100 DM (the old German currency, worth roughly 0.5 USD back then). I always thought that US prices were lower than European ones back then.
I payed 120DM for each Battle Isle and Populous 2 (Amiga). Populous 2 came with a T-Shirt. But I got PowerMonger for 40DM and the WW1-mission for another 20 and was mightily happy.
Posted May 22, 2014
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toxicTom: I payed 120DM for each Battle Isle and Populous 2 (Amiga).
I'm wondering whether Amiga games were generally more expensive than PC titles. Admittedly most our Amiga games were pirated copies (let's face it: the vast majority of people *solely* owned pirated games for the Amiga and the system owed some of its success to this :P) and our original ones were from low budget re-releases... <.<

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toxicTom: But I got PowerMonger for 40DM and the WW1-mission for another 20 and was mightily happy.
Dang, awesome. Love the game. Sadly I only have the PC version (bundled on one disc with Populous 2) which did not get the expansion. :/
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Posted May 22, 2014
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toxicTom: I payed 120DM for each Battle Isle and Populous 2 (Amiga).
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F4LL0UT: I'm wondering whether Amiga games were generally more expensive than PC titles. Admittedly most our Amiga games were pirated copies (let's face it: the vast majority of people *solely* owned pirated games for the Amiga and the system owed some of its success to this :P) and our original ones were from low budget re-releases... <.<

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toxicTom: But I got PowerMonger for 40DM and the WW1-mission for another 20 and was mightily happy.
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F4LL0UT: Dang, awesome. Love the game. Sadly I only have the PC version which did not get the expansion. :/
I had about 700 floppy disks with "external backup copies". Then I bought PowerMonger (none of my friends had it but I had read reviews and yearned to have it). And suddenly the joy to actually own the game! I formatted all my disks and sold most of them to my still pirating friends (10 DM per 10 disks, half the retail price at the time). I invested all that money (~600 DM) in legal games. I still have them, but most of the floppy disks have gone bad.
Posted May 22, 2014
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jamyskis: You can imagine how the plebs would react to that.

"GOG.com is selling abandonware!"
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JudasIscariot: Oh, you mean like how people react now? :D
Actually from what I've seen, many people have learned how "abandonware" isn't actually a legal state and thus is technically equivalent to piracy. But maybe you visit sites I don't.
Posted May 22, 2014
I for one totally back the idea of this coming to GOG. And I would like the SSP patches included, even if they have to be disabled by default and enabled by the user in the menus. The hi-res patch is lovely, and personally I find mouselook to be a huge improvement (except in the cyberspace portions, which really need keyboard control).

I have lost count of the number of times I've bought this game. I still have 3 CD copies, including at least one unopened one as an emergency backup. Having a GOG edition, especially one with all the candy, would be heaven-sent.
Posted May 22, 2014
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cpc464: I'm certainly still hoping to be able to play SS1 I mean I could just go find a copy but I'm happy to wait patiently in this instance.

Heh maybe it just sucks to be Australian but all I have to do is go to steam and look up the new Wolfenstein and find it for 79.95
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RevolutionSphere: I have no idea why that should cost so much, I think retail games are because of the importing but digital shouldn't.
Hmm yeah I'm sure its just the Australia tax that apparently applies to digital as well as physical games.
Posted May 22, 2014
I'd really like to see System Shock 1 here, but I'll believe it when it's more or less confirmed (or rather, released on GOG) :)

I'm also waiting for Wizardry 1 through 5! (when and if)
Post edited May 22, 2014 by JinseiNGC224
Posted May 22, 2014
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RevolutionSphere: I have no idea why that should cost so much, I think retail games are because of the importing but digital shouldn't.
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cpc464: Hmm yeah I'm sure its just the Australia tax that apparently applies to digital as well as physical games.
Very strange.
Posted May 22, 2014
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tfishell: Actually from what I've seen, many people have learned how "abandonware" isn't actually a legal state and thus is technically equivalent to piracy. But maybe you visit sites I don't.
Actually I think Judas was referring to the ignorant people who accuse GOG of illegally selling old games. I don't know how it's by now but I've already seen a bunch of posts on the interwebz a while ago where people seemed convinced that GOG must be charging for abandonware (apparently some people simply can't grasp the fact that you can still license such old games).

And I think occasionally people still post a question concerning GOG's legal status on the forums right here before making a purchase.
Post edited May 22, 2014 by F4LL0UT
Posted May 22, 2014
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tfishell: Actually from what I've seen, many people have learned how "abandonware" isn't actually a legal state and thus is technically equivalent to piracy. But maybe you visit sites I don't.
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F4LL0UT: Actually I think Judas was referring to the ignorant people who accuse GOG of illegally selling old games. I don't know how it's by now but I've already seen a bunch of posts on the interwebz a while ago where people seemed convinced that GOG must be charging for abandonware (apparently some people simply can't grasp the fact that you can still license such old games).

And I think occasionally people still post a question concerning GOG's legal status on the forums right here before making a purchase.
Yes, but I don't think it occurs as much as it used to back in, say, 2009 when people had never heard of GOG and didn't really understand what "abandonware" meant. (Maybe still on RPGCodex. ;)

Some people still don't understand that as you pointed out, but I think if when posting on these forums they aren't throwing accusations around and are simply asking a question about abandonware, we should try to answer graciously and without insult.
Posted May 22, 2014
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tfishell: Actually from what I've seen, many people have learned how "abandonware" isn't actually a legal state and thus is technically equivalent to piracy. But maybe you visit sites I don't.
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F4LL0UT: Actually I think Judas was referring to the ignorant people who accuse GOG of illegally selling old games. I don't know how it's by now but I've already seen a bunch of posts on the interwebz a while ago where people seemed convinced that GOG must be charging for abandonware (apparently some people simply can't grasp the fact that you can still license such old games).

And I think occasionally people still post a question concerning GOG's legal status on the forums right here before making a purchase.
Once you have someone who holds the rights and they wish to sell their games, the games actually are no longer abandoned since, you know, someone is actively enforcing their rights to the IP and the game(s) is(are) available for legitimate purchase once again :)

A lot of ire has been directed at us via the "you are selling abandonware!" argument because of the mistaken impression that we somehow make all of the abandonware sites take down the games they were offering for download. Frankly speaking, we don't have the time or the inclination to go around sending C&D letters to those sites because, really, it kind of makes you look like a git and most of the honorable abandonware sites take the games down of their own accord. The reason? Because they are actively trying to preserve video game history in their own way since no one else is doing it, the legality of doing so notwithstanding (let's not discuss that as I am not a lawyer :P )
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