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hedwards: I think a lot of these arguments stem from a disagreement over what the terms are and should be for debating the issue. It's unrealistic to think that anybody's going to come to a real consensus, but arguing should at least be done in a civilized way.
+1 for the attempt, but a cursory review of this thread doesn't promise much civility in the foreseeable future. Folks can do better. If anyone is interested in less snipping, and a healthier and more robust exchange of ideas, plug for:
http://www.debate.org/

Completely free, and fun to watch from the sidelines.
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BrianX: 1. Seriously, I think you are man (woman?) enough to take a little teasing about your name. Besides, it was a truth statement and not an 'Add Eminem' when I stated that you gave yourself that name. Unless you misspelled the word 'Ranger'...

And look at the pot calling kettle black, you wrote, "are usually the fallback of a weak mind and weaker point."

That statement is more of a personal attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) on my character than me teasing about your name :P

So again, I ask, why are you so friggin' bored to come all the way over to this 10th page of a thread to attack me personally? Did someone tell you about me (Bossonova, Vestin?) and you wanted to add yourself to the pile on and personal attacks? At least post something substantial in response to my original post because you are seriously boring me.
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GameRager: 1. Calling me a woman, and hinting by saying that that women are inferior.....lovely. Also nice bit of feigning not knowing what an Ad hominem is...too bad you ruined it by posting the ad hominem wiki link.

2. That's not an ad hominem, but a generalization(and a pretty good and accurate one, actually.) based on actual evidence based on observing people in life over the years.

3. Not really.......also if you wanted serious debate with this thread you wouldn't resort to such low levels of "debate" when first replying to a new commenter.

4. Not bored, and replied on this page because the other pages are...naturally.....full. Also, not an attack perse. Just my observations. Also most here aren't attacking you, and the ones that are you are deserving of, imo, for baiting them into it with your inflammatory trolling-like nature.
1. You are putting words in my mouth (computer!?) by saying that I wrote that I am implying that women are inferior. I REALLY don't know if you are a man or a woman (unless I missed it), so I didn't want to mess up and say something gender specific and upset you if I got the gender wrong.

2. Well, hey, I can use that excuse too! You are an ASS! Don't take offense, its just a 'generalization.' (you are not ass, just trying to prove my point!) Come on, be fair, an attack IS an attack. If I call you a name, it will still hurt, right (unless you are not human, which, of course, you ARE)?

3. Well, it looks like my BAIT worked, moohahaha (see no. 4)! You fell hook, line, and sinker, into my debate trap! You have replied more than 3 times now sucker (sucker is just a generalization, no offense!). I guess I should turn the part of my brain that recognizes certain types of new commentators that have nothing to add but attacks and ad hominems.

4. Trolling-like? What, I haven't been upgraded to Full Troll status yet? I'm a sad panda :(

By the way, on a different subject, a pregnant squirrel has now occupied my porch now eating all of my bird seed. I seriously kid you not. There, we can debate pregnant squirrels now :)
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BrianX: Well, even if we never get to the EXACT truth, it is much better to get as close as we can, right? I mean, it can't hurt to at least try, its the humbling part and setting aside of pride that is the toughest part in the quest for ultimate truth.

I am also in agreement that definitions and terms must be clearly defined or miscommunication and misunderstanding can arise too often. Like Obama said, "Words mean things."

Amen to the civilized way of debating/discussion/discourse, much like Jesus did in the New Testament :) oh, and the healing and miracles was cool too ;)

I can just send you a PM and then you can respond when you want to, no hurry. Good luck with your finals.
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GameRager: Troll is trying too hard.

1/10
Come on, I am a Half-Gnome rogue with +2 boots of debate, get it right GR.

And that should be at least a 2/10 :P
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hedwards: I think a lot of these arguments stem from a disagreement over what the terms are and should be for debating the issue. It's unrealistic to think that anybody's going to come to a real consensus, but arguing should at least be done in a civilized way.
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strixo: +1 for the attempt, but a cursory review of this thread doesn't promise much civility in the foreseeable future. Folks can do better. If anyone is interested in less snipping, and a healthier and more robust exchange of ideas, plug for:
http://www.debate.org/

Completely free, and fun to watch from the sidelines.
Cool, I will check it out, I added it to my bookmarks. A good, healthy debate is just LIKE a mental and emotional enema.
Post edited May 22, 2011 by BrianX
For the ones still hanging around debating me, this is a very awesome video of Issac Asimov (science fiction writer) predicting the internet more than 20 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZmFEFO72gA

My point? It is just amazing thinking about how the internet has changed debating and knowledge dispersion that is pretty much available to ANYONE with a computer at home or at a library. No longer is information and knowledge kept for the wealthy, the elites, and very few in colleges and universities, but now, anyone can look up information in an instant. Amazing stuff. I wonder what will occur 20 years from now :)

My brain asplode...
Geralt actually stops himself from using profanity in front of a child, and it was a pretty mild word he stopped himself from using. I don't recall this being brought up.
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nondeplumage: Geralt actually stops himself from using profanity in front of a child, and it was a pretty mild word he stopped himself from using. I don't recall this being brought up.
That's interesting. I think the designers know that its a harsh fantasy world because I did notice that it straddles the lines between good and evil constantly. Plus, Geralt IS a mutant who has a very damaged past, so of course he is going to be numb to some of the banal things humans do. I only got as far as the 3rd chapter before my HD crashed and I lost the save game (I was enjoying the developing storyline). I think I was at the upper room meeting with all the dignitaries and Triss and I met a princess or something and she was real snooty, etc.

I think my solution to dealing with the profanity is to just laugh my way through it like a poster wrote earlier. It may be that I am over-reacting, however, I still would love for game designers to consider an options button/settings for those who would like to tone it down in game without losing the 'flavor' of the world, etc. Profanity was one of the reasons why I couldn't take too much of the Sopranos. But at least the cursing fit in that world so it made more sense, in my opinion.

But I can't deny the brilliance of the story, setting, characters, and overall feel of the Witcher 1 game universe. I might try the polish voiceovers next, that might fit better and I can just ignore the cursing in the subtitles :) Anyways, thanks for pointing that out.

Oh, one other thing, I remember a few years ago when there was a huge debate about adding killable children to Temple of Elemental Evil. The designers were forced to make them unkillable, while the adults were killable. Now, I'm not all that for killing children (!) but that kind of censorship makes absolutely no sense. Most gamers are not going to kill the kids in the game (unless the kid turns evil, etc). And even if they do, most gamers re-load the game (unless they want to see an alternate ending). I just REALLY doubt there are evil gamers out there, that may be a reason that while there are options to play a real disgusting character (Fallout 3), most people play Good ones, at least first they do. I remember wanting to go back and play the evil Jedi side in Knights of the Old Republic, but never got around to it. I wanted to use the evil Jedi's unique force abilities and see where the story leads. So yes, hardcore censorship sucks big-time. So again, maybe I over-reacted, but the great thing about debate and discourse from you guys is that I am convinced to finish the game and just ignore the bits I find offensive. I did, after all, know I was buying an adult game, I should have read the warnings and reviews before buying it though to know what I was getting into. Cheers.