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Posted April 17, 2016
In the following sense I mean: how much do you think your gaming life would be really be affected if some supreme alien overlord conquers earth and only forbids the creation of new video games?

I would be a bit bummed out, but after the dust of the alien invasion has settled, I don't think I would be that bothered. Part of the reason is my recent experience with an old non-backlog game:

Recently I tried to finish a level in Caesar 3 that I struggled with some years back (Damascus) and ended up having so much fun that I decided to start the whole game over again (in part because I want to properly use mechanics I never fully understood before). I'm planning on doing a full peaceful+dangerous playthrough, and then I'll try the same for Pharaoh. So those are two 18 year old games, both of which I've already played a lot, that will keep me busy for many months.
Given enough time I can totally see the same thing happening with other games I have already played, or even finished : Civ 4, Simcity 4, Dungeon Keeper 1&2, HoMM3, Syndicate Wars, Starcraft, Warcraft 2&3 and and and...

I really think that, almost without even touching my backlog,
I'm set for life...

edit : for anyone curious (and because I think it looks hella cool), this is what the Damascus level looks like: http://imgur.com/xVoy8LR
Right click + open in new tab if you want to be able to zoom in all the way. Looking back at it now, there are some major problems with the layout :P
Post edited April 17, 2016 by Matewis
Posted April 17, 2016
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Matewis: In the following sense I mean: how much do you think your gaming life would be really be affected if some supreme alien overlord conquers earth and only forbids the creation of new video games?
I'D KILL EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THEN MYSELF! :D
Posted April 17, 2016
As a big rpg and adventure gamer, I would be pretty upset by the law of our new overlord. I think that for narrative game, you can always create something good and new. I kind of agree with you for the strategy games though. i've played recently the age of wonders series and the first one, as old as it is, seems far above the others to me, and it's a neverending game...
Posted April 17, 2016
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Matewis: In the following sense I mean: how much do you think your gaming life would be really be affected if some supreme alien overlord conquers earth and only forbids the creation of new video games?
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tinyE: I'D KILL EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THEN MYSELF! :D
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Posted April 17, 2016
Yeah, there are some amazing old games. But there are some incredible new games as well. Honestly I find the innovation in games refreshing compared to the stagnation in so many other industries. Take planes for example. Besides the Air-bus there really haven't been too many plane designs that passengers can experience. The seats get a little more cramped as they try and squeeze in an extra row, the security a bit tighter, but that's it. The plane itself doesn't really change. Now compare that to oh, the Wii and the Kinect. Suddenly you are not just playing a game on a computer screen, you are actually playing the game! 3-dimmensional recognition and tracking! Voice recognition, body positioning, it's incredible. Then there's the Occulus Rift on the bleeding edge of Virtual Reality.

But it doesn't have to be that extreme. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for Josh Parnell to finish Limit Theory because oh my god those are amazing graphics and the entire thing is procedurally generated from -math-. There are no, zero, none, image libraries in that game. Everything is a math equation being rendered. And you can alter/mod pretty much the entire game while the game is still running. It's a phenomenal masterpiece of what is possible currently. The AI is actually down right scary. Sadly the development is on a short hiatus while Parnell recovers from some medical issues.

That's also why I love playing Dwarf Fortress. Those two brothers never stop making it better. Every update is a new, well why can't we do that? It's incredible.

So while sometimes it seems to be a glut of yet another platformer or whatever, there are some true gems that I can't wait to discover. I'd be incredibly sad if the game industry died. It's just so inspiring. I'm also thrilled whenever someone mods a game to do something needed or completely new or just cool. I love Minecraft for the modding community much how I love the NWN modding community. Both are amazingly creative places.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by Melhelix
Posted April 17, 2016
I, for one, would welcome our benevolent alien ruler's wise decision to do away with the creation of anything that would prevent humans -- his natural inferiors and servants -- from better serving Hljers* Divine Otherworldly Preposterousness! All Hail Gleblarkkfoctsnipnef-Krplumpf!

*new possessive pronoun to cover a mix of "his", "her", "its", and some other off-brand genders/non-genders that our laughably insufficient languages don't have words for
Posted April 17, 2016
It would suck big time, but it would be a long time before I'd run out of games. I actually trimmed down my backlog recently, but there's 37 games on my wishlist right now, includingsome are lengthy RPGs and strategy games. And that's just what's available on GOG. I don't even know how many others on Humble Store an IndieGame Stand.
Posted April 17, 2016
I have enough games to last me a dozen lifetimes, maybe more, if I ever start playing them. That doesn't mean I don't want MORE.
Posted April 17, 2016
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Melhelix: Yeah, there are some amazing old games. But there are some incredible new games as well. Honestly I find the innovation in games refreshing compared to the stagnation in so many other industries. Take planes for example. Besides the Air-bus there really haven't been too many plane designs that passengers can experience. The seats get a little more cramped as they try and squeeze in an extra row, the security a bit tighter, but that's it. The plane itself doesn't really change. Now compare that to oh, the Wii and the Kinect. Suddenly you are not just playing a game on a computer screen, you are actually playing the game! 3-dimmensional recognition and tracking! Voice recognition, body positioning, it's incredible. Then there's the Occulus Rift on the bleeding edge of Virtual Reality.

But it doesn't have to be that extreme. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for Josh Parnell to finish Limit Theory because oh my god those are amazing graphics and the entire thing is procedurally generated from -math-. There are no, zero, none, image libraries in that game. Everything is a math equation being rendered. And you can alter/mod pretty much the entire game while the game is still running. It's a phenomenal masterpiece of what is possible currently. The AI is actually down right scary. Sadly the development is on a short hiatus while Parnell recovers from some medical issues.

That's also why I love playing Dwarf Fortress. Those two brothers never stop making it better. Every update is a new, well why can't we do that? It's incredible.

So while sometimes it seems to be a glut of yet another platformer or whatever, there are some true gems that I can't wait to discover. I'd be incredibly sad if the game industry died. It's just so inspiring. I'm also thrilled whenever someone mods a game to do something needed or completely new or just cool. I love Minecraft for the modding community much how I love the NWN modding community. Both are amazingly creative places.
What you have to realize is that game development is not like development of new airplanes, bridges or skyscrapers. Games can have bugs, glitches and mistakes which are still allowed out into the wild as they don't necessarily kill people like tangible objects (planes, trains, automobiles) in the real world.

People make mistakes with their math and when they do, they're held accountable for it. I once had a professor in a statics course I took who said he did not give partial credit. When a student asked him why, the professor asked, "if you designed a bridge which collapsed and killed many people, would you take partial credit?"

It doesn't surprise me that it takes quite some time and much testing to get technology which is supposed to not harm human life into production.
Posted April 17, 2016
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HunchBluntley: *new possessive pronoun to cover a mix of "his", "her", "its", and some other off-brand genders/non-genders that our laughably insufficient languages don't have words for
The pronoun you are looking for is "Their". At least in English, not sure if that's also true for American.
Posted April 17, 2016
Yes there are, at least for me. To be honest, there were enough for me, even before i joined GOG (Before GOG, i used to buy only physical versions of games but at some point I stopped due to DRM. Even then, I had already 20 or more favourite games I could play over and over again, let alone now.)
Posted April 17, 2016
Same as for books, movies, etc.
The best games will be remembered and will eventually be played by younger generations while the good to crap ones will be nearly forgotten (except a few cult classics).

Still, new games need to be made so that we get the truly great ones and for that to happen, you need to have a lot of games to come out. Not every game is going to be a masterpiece but even a game that's considered as crap by many might give inspiration to a younger generation of game makers.

Nostalgic gamers such as yourself (i'm one too) will always exist. But there always will be new gamers every day !
There are much more movie enthusiast as there are gamers but it is because the movie industry has been around for more than a century. Who knows how it will look like in 80 years ?

But for now, i believe even though there are tons of great games, new games are needed. Would you have enjoyed reading only books from the 1900s ? Sure there are a lot of classics...but hell, without Lotr there would be no D&D. Without D&D there would be no RPG scene. Without the RPG scene, we might never have gotten video games in the first place.
Posted April 17, 2016
Well I am really tired of seeing copycat games.
Especially, the indie game sector really bothers me. There is just so many games that are just the same, over and over again...
This happened because of Steam by the way. Yes, promoting individual developers is good but they have no quality check. There are maybe nearly 10.000 games on steam right now, and how many of them are worth to play? Having too much alternatives means corruption and gaming industry has just become wicked.

But I do not believe that all of old games are better than new games. We have got witcher 3, clearly one of the best rpgs ever made. We got some epic telltale games...
The problem is, fundraising and making a game is just too damn easy. And fooling the wannabe children into buying their games, is just so easy.

Making an any kind of isometric rpg without any quality and promoting as "this is the old school rpg! you can play it over 200+ hours!! buy this, the real gamers play this!!"

Also, can anyone explain me the deal with XCom 2? Why does it cost so much more than XCom:Enemy Unknown? On what levels XCom 2 is better than XCom:EU? The deal with XCOM summarize the corruption of the gaming industry. They release nearly the same game again and price it 60$.

edit: edited the part about xcom enemy unknown. I remembered it as a kickstarter project but grargar notified me otherwise. ^^
Post edited April 17, 2016 by asimovfreerobot
Posted April 17, 2016
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tinyE: I'D KILL EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THEN MYSELF! :D
Such righteous fury should be directed at our alien masters instead!
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MacArthur: ...
i've played recently the age of wonders series and the first one, as old as it is, seems far above the others to me, and it's a neverending game...
Me too in fact, just earlier in the year. It has a fantastic atmosphere and great combat, but it's let down a bit by the AI's meta game sometimes, especially on island levels.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by Matewis
Posted April 17, 2016
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asimovfreerobot: Also, can anyone explain me the deal with XCom 2? Why does it cost so much more than XCom:Enemy Unknown? On what levels XCom 2 is better than XCom:EU? The deal with XCOM summarize the corruption of the gaming industry. It was a kickstarter project, now they release nearly the same game again and price it 60$.
Neither XCOM: Enemy Unknown, nor XCOM 2 are Kickstarter projects. You're confusing them with Xenonauts.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by Grargar
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