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Breja: It's an incredibly sad, hateful and toxic way of looking at things, and it only justifies and encourages making crap bereft of artistic merit if upsetting someone is a benchmark for being good enough, so it's extremely detrimental to our culture and by extension to humanity at large, and of course it further encourages angry and hateful behavior from the other side.

It's honestly about as close to dark side/sith way of thinking I've ever seen in real life, knowingly and proudly deriving satisfaction out of causing someone else some kind of distress. I guess we've reached a point of this absurd culture war where real people start to think like cartoonish bad guys.
Rest assured, any creative authority bestowed upon me will be used to target a demographic that wants smart writing and creative ideas; Joe with all his numbers would not anymore be in such a group than Rachael Zegler. Instead the helm is infested with "people" (that might identify otherwise) who are as you describe. Tell me, in the bowls of the Black Plague ravaging Europe, would you have any illusion of keeping everyone safe from the rats forever or appreciate that they devoured a known rapist?
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Joe856382992: Female main character = woke shit. Will wait for the Critical Drinker review.
It's always saddening how casually open people can be with their bigotry. Anything that's not het white male is woke, which is bad, because it's not het white male.

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Breja: It's honestly about as close to dark side/sith way of thinking I've ever seen in real life, knowingly and proudly deriving satisfaction out of causing someone else some kind of distress. I guess we've reached a point of this absurd culture war where real people start to think like cartoonish bad guys.
We haven't just reached this point. I respectfully submit that perhaps you've only recently become aware of it. There are tons of people who've experienced this their whole lives... the existence of countless millions of others who are GLAD when they suffer. And the generations of this conflict between A and B has reached the point where you're now aware of it, like a war that spreads throughout a region.

As to a point that was made back the beginning of this thread and, I don't think a basic plotline would be too hard to come up with. Have the show start in a vault, like F1. The first episode or two we see life in the vault, get to know characters, hear of how scary and unknown the outside world is, build the mystery. We learn the residents are generally educated professionals... scientists and engineers... but also somewhat frail and flabby. When the MC leaves, we learn of this new world at the same time as they do. We learn together. Each episode could have some minor problem, which also teaches us about the new world. Revealing new creatues, difficulty in food/water, danger of radiation, existence of mutants, etc. Overarching all, there could be some tension in the vault, just like F1. There's a problem that needs to be fixed, which drives the MC through this new world, but it's not critical, so we're not stressed every episode.

Visuals can appeal to cyberpunk fans, tone can appeal to gritty realists, interactions can appeal to "wild west" fans. You might start with snobbishness of the "civilized" MC versus the "dirty" locals, but over time they learn they know less than the locals, and they learn to look past appearances and judge people's characters, not their mutated bodies.
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amok: and thank god for that. i found that a lot of the tthings you find as "shit" are things i actually like. at this point i kinda use your opinions as a reverse endorsement
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Breja: Uhm... good for you? I'm not sure what expect me to do with that information.
no worries, at this point I have absolutely no expectations of you
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Breja: Uhm... good for you? I'm not sure what expect me to do with that information.
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amok: no worries, at this point I have absolutely no expectations of you
Great, happy to oblige. I hope we can do this again soon.
After how the 'Rings of Power' did, i'm sure it will be a real humm dinger.

Though if it's anything like just about everything come out recently (Cowboy bebop, rings of power, DR Who, comics in general, MCU, Recent Disney, Picard, The Witcher, Budlight/Budweiser, Robyn Hood, Bat-woman) it will be a trashfire waiting to happen. Like video games, i ain't putting any time or money into it until it proves itself.

But who knows. Maybe like One Piece the creators will have a firm hand to keep it true to the lore story and characters; Or maybe it will just crash and burn....

But we'll have to see...
Well , not exactly my taste .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1yEr0XifA
dont know about the storyline yet, but looks like they got the look and the feel correct
Not really interested ion the new Amazon Prime show, but is it based on Fallout 4? The trailer makes it look like that.
I hope they didn't copy the awful 'writing' of that game.
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NuffCatnip: Not really interested ion the new Amazon Prime show, but is it based on Fallout 4? The trailer makes it look like that.
I hope they didn't copy the awful 'writing' of that game.
In light of the show being billed as "not for the fans", the only optimism I can maintain is that this'll have writing more in line with old Fallout, before Todd Howard knuckle-dragged that hack writer of his into way too much creative authority.

Edit: On closer inspection, John Nolan says making things for "other people" is a fool's errand and he's successfully made Fallout for himself. For context, a Fallout 3 addiction nearly ruined his career, so I've been suckered into a Kotaku-style spin and there's hope that resembling Fallout 4 on the surface will be the worst of it.
Post edited March 15, 2024 by LegoDnD
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NuffCatnip: Not really interested ion the new Amazon Prime show, but is it based on Fallout 4? The trailer makes it look like that.
I hope they didn't copy the awful 'writing' of that game.
Fallout 4 is on the other side of the former country. There is an airship that looks like the Prydwen, but it's called the Caswennan. If anything it will interact more with Fallout 1 and New Vegas (they do have a Robert House character cast).
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NuffCatnip: Not really interested ion the new Amazon Prime show, but is it based on Fallout 4? The trailer makes it look like that.
I hope they didn't copy the awful 'writing' of that game.
apparently, it is more like Fallout 5.... take what you want from that
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NuffCatnip: Not really interested ion the new Amazon Prime show, but is it based on Fallout 4? The trailer makes it look like that.
I hope they didn't copy the awful 'writing' of that game.
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tremere110: Fallout 4 is on the other side of the former country. There is an airship that looks like the Prydwen, but it's called the Caswennan. If anything it will interact more with Fallout 1 and New Vegas (they do have a Robert House character cast).
Thanks, I skimmed through the trailer during work and after seeing the airship Fallout 4 kept popping up in my mind.

This reminds me, I need to play Fallout NV again.
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I feel so tired: Well , not exactly my taste .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1yEr0XifA
"To hurt the people that hurt me"?

Déjà vu all over again. Seeing how Hollycrap can't write story and characters properly anymore I have very little hope for this one as well...
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tremere110: If anything it will interact more with Fallout 1 and New Vegas (they do have a Robert House character cast).
Impossible, I killed him in my playthrough.
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ChrisGamer300: It will probably be similar to the whimsical bethesda shit that has nowhere near the atmosphere or dark/hopeless feeling as the rest of the franchise minus tactics,76 and brotherhood obviously. Not to mention i'm getting tired of videogames to movie adoptations so will not watch ofc.
Fallout was always somewhat whimsical. Also seeing the rise of NCR, from a small town in Fallout 1, was actually quite hopeful to me.