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Posted October 04, 2017
02:30 local time, do not expect flavor. Krypsyn, feel free to provide some if you wish to.

Flubbucket has been lynched. He was Joyce Cooper, hotel owner, cult member.
All votes have been reset. Second lynch phase of Day 2 begins.
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trentonlf: JMich I apologize about the double post, but sure what happened bit I had to push the post through twice because I got a bear the first time :-(
I'll sleep over it, then see what the morning brings. You are being watched though, so please don't make another double post before I return.
Post edited October 04, 2017 by JMich
Posted October 04, 2017
vote bookwyrm

for being my best candidate for CL now and making him more eager to talk.

but I'm not forgetting dedoporno who is my backup plan. Too late to think up clever questions for him right now, though.

*as for flubs, seems he was recruited tonight, so he was town yesterday. so... I don't know, too sleepy, I'm sure it means something.*
Posted October 04, 2017
I'm not voting Lift or HSL today, and if we do not lynch the CL today I will be protecting Lift tonight and expect to be on of the lynches tomorrow. I also don't think mchack is the CL so I will add him to the not voting pool.

Between bookwyrm and dedo I still prefer dedo for the lynch, but I will go with the majority on this as I think it doesn't matter because I'm pretty confident the CL is one of the two.
Posted October 04, 2017
The Greater Good

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flubbucket: This is how it's done
That missing definite article...



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trentonlf: [...] I will go with the majority on this as I think it doesn't matter because I'm pretty confident the CL is one of the two.
I'm not sure that it doesn't matter. I'm heading to bed now, will revisit things tomorrow with a clearer head.
Posted October 04, 2017
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JMich: Krypsyn, feel free to provide some if you wish to.
Very well. I'll give it a shot.

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Simon Skinner enters the room, "Okay, so what's all this then? The Sheriff is otherwise involved and asked me to drop by. I hear dear Joyce has become a bit addled? Her crosswords have gotten to her a bit?

Skinner snatches the paper from Joyce and glances at it, "Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch!"

Cooper replies, "Gesundheit."

Skinner, "No, you daft woman! It is 33 across: 'A city in Wales'!"

Cooper, "There are tons of cities in Wales!"

Skinner, "But only one which has over 50 letters in the name! Look the blanks even continue on to the next page! Something has really gotten to you, you need to come with me while we have a little chat...

A short time latter Simon returns, "Horrible, horrible news everyone. Joyce Cooper has had a terrible accident. It seems that while inventorying her collection of crossword puzzles, her entire house suddenly caught fire." He shakes his head sadly, "We may never never know why she chose to keep open cans of petrol next to a gas lantern in that tiny little filing room, but we do know her end was swift. Apparently evidence of her complicity in plans to thwart the NWA were found in the remains of her house, but it seems she was not the ringleader."

"So, well, good start everyone, but we still have more to find." Skinner gives a hard look at each of the remaining NWA members, "Get to it!" He walks briskly from the room, leaving you to discuss matters between you.
Post edited October 04, 2017 by Krypsyn
Posted October 04, 2017
Things have been taken care of, but the game moves on.

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mchack: *as for flubs, seems he was recruited tonight, so he was town yesterday.
How can you tell?

As for the other cultist - it's pointless to say it but I wasn't one yesterday and I'm not one today. To be honest, I don't think Wyrm is either.
Posted October 04, 2017
Damn. We didn't get the CL after all. Too bad.

...that still leaves the possibility that HSL is CL. I'll have to look into his posts again.

I don't think trent is scum. He wouldn't have risked getting a counter claim as the CL. So trent is cleared for now. mchack seems genuinely invested - but I don't know how good he is at acting.

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mchack: *as for flubs, seems he was recruited tonight, so he was town yesterday.
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dedoporno: How can you tell?
Really? How is that even a question? According to his flip he was a cultist. Not the Cult Recruiter. The game starts without any plain cultists ... so flubb was town yesterday.
Posted October 04, 2017
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Lifthrasil: Really? How is that even a question? According to his flip he was a cultist. Not the Cult Recruiter. The game starts without any plain cultists ... so flubb was town yesterday.
How is it not a question? The flip says "Cult member". How do you know that excludes the CL? The mafiascum page says the Inquisitor gets an inconclusive result and you yourself stated you got a cult member result. Back then you weren't certain what that meant, so how can you be now? Also, in a game with 2 power roles are you really going to assume things will be made that easy?
Posted October 04, 2017
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Lifthrasil: Really? How is that even a question? According to his flip he was a cultist. Not the Cult Recruiter. The game starts without any plain cultists ... so flubb was town yesterday.
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dedoporno: How is it not a question? The flip says "Cult member". How do you know that excludes the CL? The mafiascum page says the Inquisitor gets an inconclusive result and you yourself stated you got a cult member result. Back then you weren't certain what that meant, so how can you be now? Also, in a game with 2 power roles are you really going to assume things will be made that easy?
I'm pretty sure the flip would be Cult Recruiter or Cult Leader. also Krypsyn kinda confirmed it:

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Krypsyn: Apparently evidence of her complicity in plans to thwart the NWA were found in the remains of her house, but it seems she was not the ringleader."
Posted October 04, 2017
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mchack: I'm pretty sure the flip would be Cult Recruiter or Cult Leader. also Krypsyn kinda confirmed it:
Right, I didn't register that bit. Then it makes sense.
Posted October 04, 2017
So far I thought no lynching the second time after a succesful cultist flip may be the best way to go as we won't risk mislynching when we have the option of following the cop during the night. After giving it some more thought I'm not that sure anymore, especially after it's been all but confirmed that the CL is the one still alive. Even though we may keep one more slot around to play the numbers game we'll have a less concentrated suspect pool Tomorrow than we have Today. I'm interested on what others think about this.
Posted October 04, 2017
Well, of course we have to keep hunting the CL. With him still present, we are still playing against time since the cult may grow each night. Yes, with the CL gone we could have played follow the cop without any risk, since a lone cultist cannot do anything about that. But the CL can. Probably (WIFOM aside) starting with trent and then proceeding to me. So I have only one safe investigation (the one tonight) and we can't count on me being as lucky again with my target. So it's back to the usual lynching procedure and looking for suspects.

For me, the suspects are dedo, HSL and Bookwyrm. Mostly by exclusion principle. I am quite confident that trent is town and mchack feels very towny too. In the case of dedo it's not like him to miss a co-mod statement unless he just skimmed that, because he was less interested in the flip that he should be as town person. I was reading that clarification quite avidly since I was looking for any information we can get ... but for scum getting information about a deceased scumbuddy of course doesn't hold that much importance, since scum already knows everything about their buddies. So, in addition to what was said about dedo in the past, missing the statement that flubb was not the ringleader would fit better to a scum dedo thant to a town dedo.

My reason to suspect HSL mostly boils down to feeling again. To me he seemed reluctant to lynch flubb and he seemed to try to look for ways to discredit my read. He did turn around and hammered flubb, but that may have been because he realized that there is no way around bussing him. Keep in mind that he isn't cleared by trent's protection.

My reason to suspect Bookwyrm, in addition to his Day 1 shenanigans, is the way he disappeared after asking for more time for flubb. On the surface that is a totally normal request to wait for everyone's opinion. But I don't like the fact that he disappeared right afterwards. Maybe that's RL interfering. Or maybe that's him having to gather his thoughts because he has to form a new plan about how to play this.

Currently, I can't decide between these three yet and with scum probably growing each night we do not have that much leeway for errors.
Posted October 04, 2017
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Lifthrasil: So, in addition to what was said about dedo in the past, missing the statement that flubb was not the ringleader would fit better to a scum dedo thant to a town dedo.
To be honest I didn't pay the slightest attention to the flavor post since I didn't think flavor would carry any significance and I am at work, so my time for reading larger pieces is somewhat limited. I do my best to follow player posts but flavor was never my cup of tea in the first place. If you find that condemning there is nothing I can about it. Maybe lynching me isn't the worst idea since a rather large question mark will be taken out of the equation. Numbers-wise it would be a mistake, though,

As for D1 shenanigans, I'm not sure I would do Wyrm's play as he did just because of the way it can backfire, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't go that bold if I was the CL. Then again, it's Wyrm so it's not beyond him to made outrageous and risky plays, but start off with it like that? A bit too much even for him. I'm more inclined to see it as a town pro-active attempt to distract the CL from the potential PRs rather than a trying to hide in plain sight since it was obvious that sooner or later he would have been called for it.

Lift and Trent are clear, so that leaves mchack and HSL as the valid choices for myself. I'm unsure who is the more likely one - even though others seed something in HSL I didn't manage to pick up on it but I know he is capable of pulling such a facade off. Mchack has been looking Townier, since he seems to pay attention (even more than myself, I guess) to what is going on and participating in a good manner. I haven't played that much with him so I'm unsure if he can fake it that good.
Posted October 04, 2017
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Lifthrasil: Well, of course we have to keep hunting the CL. With him still present, we are still playing against time since the cult may grow each night. Yes, with the CL gone we could have played follow the cop without any risk, since a lone cultist cannot do anything about that. But the CL can. Probably (WIFOM aside) starting with trent and then proceeding to me. So I have only one safe investigation (the one tonight) and we can't count on me being as lucky again with my target. So it's back to the usual lynching procedure and looking for suspects.

For me, the suspects are dedo, HSL and Bookwyrm. Mostly by exclusion principle. I am quite confident that trent is town and mchack feels very towny too. In the case of dedo it's not like him to miss a co-mod statement unless he just skimmed that, because he was less interested in the flip that he should be as town person. I was reading that clarification quite avidly since I was looking for any information we can get ... but for scum getting information about a deceased scumbuddy of course doesn't hold that much importance, since scum already knows everything about their buddies. So, in addition to what was said about dedo in the past, missing the statement that flubb was not the ringleader would fit better to a scum dedo thant to a town dedo.

My reason to suspect HSL mostly boils down to feeling again. To me he seemed reluctant to lynch flubb and he seemed to try to look for ways to discredit my read. He did turn around and hammered flubb, but that may have been because he realized that there is no way around bussing him. Keep in mind that he isn't cleared by trent's protection.

My reason to suspect Bookwyrm, in addition to his Day 1 shenanigans, is the way he disappeared after asking for more time for flubb. On the surface that is a totally normal request to wait for everyone's opinion. But I don't like the fact that he disappeared right afterwards. Maybe that's RL interfering. Or maybe that's him having to gather his thoughts because he has to form a new plan about how to play this.

Currently, I can't decide between these three yet and with scum probably growing each night we do not have that much leeway for errors.
As of right now you are the only other person that I am sure is town so I think we need to work out between us who we think is the best option to be the CL. We need everyone’s opinion, but I can only be sure that our intentions are truly towns best interest in mind.

I’ve been trying to put myself into the CL’s shoes. If I was the CL and found out there was an alarmist and an inquisitor in the game and that my recruit was going to be lynched I would toss my recruit under the bus in a heartbeat and then try my best to appear as townie as possible. What would you have done?
Posted October 04, 2017
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trentonlf: I’ve been trying to put myself into the CL’s shoes. If I was the CL and found out there was an alarmist and an inquisitor in the game and that my recruit was going to be lynched I would toss my recruit under the bus in a heartbeat and then try my best to appear as townie as possible. What would you have done?
Personally I had trouble with bussing in the past. It always was my weakness. But after I revealed myself as the Inquisitor and with a positive result on flubb to boot, there was no way of not bussing him. Especially not after he confessed.

But I was somewhat surprised that flubb didn't fight back. In his place, I would have tried to discredit the Inquisitor somehow. That probably wouldn't have changed much, but it still was weird that he gave up without a fight. So maybe he didn't want to risk that the CL would try to defend him. Perhaps flubb wanted his lynch to be over quickly to reduce the chance of possible tells on the CL. So perhaps the question we should tackle is: whom was flubb protecting? Actually that thought brings me back to HSL and Bookwyrm. Both appeared to be stalling to me. Perhaps flubbs confession was an implicit shoutout to one of them 'quit stalling and hammer me already!'

But then again this is flubb we are talking about. Not everything he does has to have a reason. After all he is cultivating his uselessness and happy-go-lucky image.

In any case you are right, everything that comes from one of the other four players can, of course, be coming from scum and has to be analyzed carefully.
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