I was going to say, what if dedo is the Telepath. Then I remembered that they have a Sniper too.

Actually, if dedo flips non-Sniper, then Catte can only be a Mafioso with 4 scum. In fact anyone who can prove his role (Eng, GH... who else) can only be Mafioso with 4 scum.

Let's see what dedo flips.

Here is the problem with my trap: for it to work, it relies on people not reading properly or not remembering properly. Because if all players could do a 100% complete read and memorise it 100%, then scum would read that I claimed I investigated trent, and would remember not to fall for my trap.

So if a Mafioso can skip over my claim, or forget it later, then I suppose a Townie could too.

My trap only relies on the fact that a Mafioso is more likely to do, since he knows my true claim, then he's more likely to either misread or misremember my false one.

OK, question for you (and other Townies can give their input too): before my trap sprung, if someone asked you: "Hey, without looking, can you tell whom ZFR investigated?" would you have said it's trent or flub?

well to be honest I wouldn't have known either... I saw that you investigated me, was confused when you said I could either be town or mafia, read what your role actually did then lost interest...

sorry. A little unbrilliant of me.


I do appreciate the trap I think it's wonderful. I hope it has worked out.

And even if Catte didn't get caught in the trap it doesn't mean he's not scum

Because, see, when I said I caught the third scum and I quoted catte's offending post, you replied with this:

You mightn't have realised its significance, but did you, a Townie, immediately catch the discrepancy of what catte wrote and what I claimed?

no I had to go back and read the claim and then wonder why you thought flubbucket was a lyncher so you decided to investigate trent

It's not inconceivable that catte mistook as a towny, but it is exactly what you were hoping to happen so it compells

That was only half serious, and also if you did it: you'd be able to tell me your hiding choice before or around when you had locked it in, but I wouldn't get the message until near the start of the day. This would also prove (afaik....anyone else feel free to tell me if i'm wrong, here) that you couldn't be "fibbing" about your hiding choice when you stated it the next day, as i'd have your message proving who you were going to pick/had picked for N3.

Also again: this is all just musing and only half serious...do with it what you will.
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(Bump plz)

bwomp

Thanks :)
(Nothing in this post is a vote....etc etc etc)
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So you're suggesting Lift would put a telepath role into the game to give scum day chat(while the telepath is alive), and then also add a redundant second day chat for scum to use if the telepath dies?

How does that make a lick of sense?

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Aside to all: This(having a game OP who has spotty chances to check in during weekends, afaik) is why imo we need a co-mod for games with mods who might be gone on certain IRL days(like with Lift and weekends, iirc). :)

Think a little...

I did......if scum get a daychat via the telepath there is no need for a second day chat. And if there was one there'd be no need to have the telepath provide one.

(About the only thing that might qualify that we do know they have is the messaging role I have, if scum used it....but that is very limited)

I was suggesting a scenario where Mafia have *three* people. So I can't be suggesting what you're saying I'm suggesting.

So the last scum(if dedo is scum and not third party or something else, and there's only 3 scum) would be talking to themselves?

That what you mean?

Nvm, I get it: You're suggesting telepath might not be in the game.
(yeah, i'm slow like that sometimes)

Still, either way scum would have a day chat...the only difference being one could be taken away if the telepath is in the game and the telepath is lynched/dies.

(I also think we should work more with the assumption the telepath role is likely in the game & work on figuring out who it might be....as if there is such a scum role in game we should try to get rid of it asap)

Oh, the day is still going. Ok gonna catch up and say things.

Wanna play gin rummy or go fish while we wait for Lift to get back? o.0 :|

Brain storming.

There can not be 5 scums. They would easily win simply by lynching votes.

Can there be 4 scums and 1 3rd party killer? I don't think so since we would probably have 2 deaths the first night.

4 scum and a lyncher sound possible but I do not know where to go with that.

4 scum and no lyncher (or any other 3rd party) would render ZFR's role pointless unless ZFR isn't what he seems to claim.

3 scum and a 3rd party sound like a more sensible scenario.

CONFIRMED ROLES

Engerek01 - Genderbender (Other's may not be sure but since I know myself... :)
Pookina - Townie
Vitek - Shelterer
Blotunga - CSI
GymHenson - Courier
Catte - Crazy Inventor

trentonlf - Infector
??? - Sniper

CLAIMED ROLES
ZFR - Profiler
JoeSapphire - Watcher
BTG - Coward
?? - Medic

People with no roles associated with them
flubbucket - ??
Korotan - ??
dedoporno - ?? (waiting for the night for the confirmation)
Hunter - ??


If dedo turns out to be the sniper and all other roles are correct, then one of the 3 must be medic and another must be scum. The remaining 3rd person can be anything but probably a 3rd party role that ZFR could identify.

The alternative is where one of the roles is incorrect, which makes my head hurt when I think about the possibilities :)

Just thought I should put this out there for consideration while we are waiting.