Not at all.

There are 3 scum: trent the Infector, dedo the sniper and catte the crazy inventor.

Getting rid of this role is not important at all, beyond getting the scum who has it.

Either it's dedo, in which case we already got rid of him, or it's not dedo, in which case getting rid of this role is not important at all since killing any scum effectively either ends the game or leaves the solo scum chatless.

I can't fail purposefully, but I do have a wide array of actions available to me. I've already confirmed my role in as much as btg saw my failure, so it's pretty much a given that I'm a crazy inventor. But yes, if there's a nightkill and I can prove I didn't do it that'll at least count for something.

It's nothing terribly elaborate, don't get excited.

Actually, the only real odds I have are that Tracking/Watching have a 50% success rate. I can use any "normal" action from the wiki and I can ask Lift if they're more or less likely to succeed than the 50% baseline but he won't tell me the actual odds.

Innocent Child is one of the first things I asked. I can invent machines that perform actions, if I watch someone I don't become a watcher. Innocent Child is a role with no actions, so there's nothing for me to copy. I have other options.

Hah, good point.

That seems to be the implication to me. If the mafia were going to have daychat no matter what, then the presence of a telepath is a nerf. To me, the inclusion of a telepath as a possible role implies a default state of no day-chat. But but since you already suspect me I don't imagine you'd give my opinion much weight.

I think the trap would have made a bit more sense if you didn't mention flub and just said you investigated trent. If someone had mentioned you investigating flub then you would have known for sure they'd fallen for your trap because there's nowhere else it could have come from.

As it is you mentioned both of them together in a very short paragraph where you think one might be the luncher and the other might be the target. The result is that there's a mention of flub there for someone to be able to misremember and the thing you said you did wasn't as sensible as the thing you actually did. You effectively seeded your real action in my mind by the fact that all the pieces were there and it was the more sensible thing to do given your suspicions. But whatever, I'm already ready to waste a night's action on proving myself.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/post83
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/post88

So Copping someone has a <50% chance to succeed.

How about you do that? You either succeed in which case we'll have a very useful piece of info. Or you fail in case we can tell, assuming there is a kill, that either you dind't carry it out or the last Mafioso can both kill and take action.

It does indeed. I'm not committing to anything specific right now, I'm going to decide in the night.

Tell me, is it more important to you that I clear myself or would you rather I try and get useful info?

You "clearing" yourself won't convince me, because (a)there could be another scum, (b) a lone Mafioso might be able to act and kill same night.

You getting useful info is more useful. If you're scum, which gun to my head is what I'd bet on now, you'll have to make a convincing fake result, which might help out you. If you're Town, we get good info.

I didn't mean "clearing", I meant clearing.

But I tend to agree, useful information is useful.

Actually, I'd need to clarify something with Lift before I go underlining things.

Sorry. I was away all Day. I'll answer to your questions now.

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Suddenly everything goes fast again. Dedo is, in the eyes of most, convicted of being one of the bad guys and finally he even admits so himself. 'Sure, Shoot me!' he yells and marches outside himself. He is unceremoniously shot and sure enough, he changes. Seems he was another of these Ultra-Mutants! You investigate his remains and come to the conclusion:
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dedoporno is dead. He was Sulik, Ultra-Mutant Sniper

Final vote coun (at hammer time)
dedo 6 - Engerek 1152, ZFR 1154, catte 1196, GH 1200, bucktooth 1202, dedo 1203
buck 1 - flubb 1098

dedo has achieved majority and is lynched.

It is now Night. Please cease posting.

Those of you who have Nightactions please send them to me soon.
Those of you with factional chats. please go there.
Those of you who want to message someone, please tell me so within a day.

The game will resume in 48 hours at most. Possible a bit earlier.

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A grim morning dawns. Outside a dust-storm is raging. The wind howls - or are those the howls of Deathclaws? Having a pack of them seeking shelter in your cave would be quite inconvenient. You ready your weapons just in case ... but one person is not disturbed by the noise. Joe. He lies dead on the ground. Not sniped, this time, but just shot with a small caliber arm. No one has heard the shot, but Joe is definitely dead. Sadly you investigate his remains and belongings, then you throw his body out into the storm.
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JoeSapphire is dead. He was Clover, Town Track'er/Watch'er.

It is now Day, all votes are reset.

You may resume posting.

"sad to see him go, obviously, but I'm glad I won't have to spend the rest of the game worrying if he'd gone supreme bus"

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_67_mamlakat_al_shams/post1052

Good game, Joe.

Quick disclaimer, I didn't get any of the discussion yesterday surrounding catte and it went completely over my head. This is how I read current game state based on what I know so far

GH (Courier, cleared since it's not scum role)
Catte (Unsure)
Engerek01 (Cleared by genderflipping)
ZFR (Cleared by Tracker visit)
bucktoothgamer (Cleared because dedo flipped sniper)
flubbucket (Unsure)
Korotan (Unsure)

Am I missing something here?

You didn't get the basic thing that happened? The "trap"?

Yes it can be

Can be a scum role too

So? We know Mafia have fake safe claims. How does dedo flipping sniper prove buck didn't fake-claim Coward?

Again, so? How does Joe Watching me clears me?

For me, what "clears" me is the lack of counterclaim on anyone being Infected, and trent's flip.