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Isn't this thread topic kinda the plot to Johnny Mnemonic?
I can already see it:

Introducing GOP

Good Old Pictures

100% DRM-free
Regionally priced images (not available at all in Germany, of course)

and of course the Deluxe Collector's Edition Gold, which contains the soundtrack that was playing in the background when the photo was shot.
Post edited October 22, 2015 by popperik
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popperik: I can already see it:

Introducing GOP

Good Old Pictures

100% DRM-free
Regionally priced images (not available at all in Germany, of course)

and of course the Deluxe Collector's Edition Gold, which contains the soundtrack that was playing in the background when the photo was shot.
Yes, and they can cuts part of the picture out and sell it as day one DLC.
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popperik: I can already see it:

Introducing GOP

Good Old Pictures

100% DRM-free
Regionally priced images (not available at all in Germany, of course)

and of course the Deluxe Collector's Edition Gold, which contains the soundtrack that was playing in the background when the photo was shot.
LOL. Clearly you're not familiar with the 80s porn powerhouse, otherwise known as Color Climax. XD
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Klumpen0815: Care to explain, why GPL should have a negative effect
and which license would have protected it better from being stolen and sold by big corporations?
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ET3D: The second line pretty much answers the first. If you want to give something to people, then thinking of someone using it as theft is ludicrous. Big companies make most of the products that people use, so putting a technology out of their reach means putting it out of most people's hands, simple as that.

It's easy to offer a dual license, and have companies pay for a technology. That way they don't 'steal' it, and everything is fine. But if someone prefers to stick to pure GPL on principle, that's their problem (and frankly a problem for anyone else who wants to see the tech adopted).
Afaik the Linux kernel has GPL and it is used by companies (CNC machines, company PCs, Android, SteamOS/SteamBox etc...), so how exactly is GPL preventing companies from using something with GPL? My MP3-player does support ogg and ogg falls under the GPL too.
What I meant was, that no one can take the code and file a patent for their company this way, that's what I consider stealing and is not uncommon at all.
Which license would you suggest? No license at all and hoping that nobody will take it and file one for it himself?
Post edited October 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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popperik: I can already see it:

Introducing GOP

Good Old Pictures

100% DRM-free
Regionally priced images (not available at all in Germany, of course)

and of course the Deluxe Collector's Edition Gold, which contains the soundtrack that was playing in the background when the photo was shot.
Pre-order now and get a 60% off on the DLC Pre-order! Uncensored patch downloadable from renai.us.
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Klumpen0815: FLIF will make JPEG obsolete anyway:
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ET3D: It's GPL. It has no chance of ever being widely used. Otherwise I agree it's a worthwhile new image compression technology.
right.
which is why it is so hard to find a smartphone running linux(android). With Linux being GPL it just has no chance of commercial success :p

sarcasm aside, i think lots of companies nowadays a more than willing to use open source software. Just take a closer look on your games, for example. You will find lots of opensource software, especially for handling the multimedia stuff.
Post edited October 22, 2015 by immi101
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ET3D: It's GPL. It has no chance of ever being widely used. Otherwise I agree it's a worthwhile new image compression technology.
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immi101: right.
which is why it is so hard to find a smartphone running linux(android). With Linux being GPL it just has no chance of commercial success :p

sarcasm aside, i think lots of companies nowadays a more than willing to use open source software. Just take a closer look on your games, for example. You will find lots of opensource software, especially for handling the multimedia stuff.
Yep, I wonder what the answers to me previous post / questions will be.

BTW:
Shadows: Heretic Kingdoms uses the Ogre Engine which is OpenSource and under the MIT license.
and [url=http://www.dosbox.com/]DosBox both have GPL, I guess that's why we'll never see games sold with those. :P
ET3D seems to have some insider information we are totally lacking atm and I'd like to know from which dimension it comes.
Post edited October 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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ET3D: If you want to give something to people, then thinking of someone using it as theft is ludicrous. Big companies make most of the products that people use, so putting a technology out of their reach means putting it out of most people's hands, simple as that.
I understand where you are coming from. This seems to be the BSD vs. GPL discussion. Allow me to share a different perspective from yours.

First of all, if I understand correctly, GPL covers only the official library. I expect that it will be possible to build alternative, compatible encoding/decoding routines, and those can be proprietary or licensed in other ways.

Second, I do see the GPL on some products I purchase. You can use GPL in mass products! Of course, I actually look for these products, but they do exist! You just can't link to them, but you can call them externally.

And the third point I would like to make is that big corporations are known to not play nice when given a chance, for the sake of profit. Why should we play nice with them, and give them an opening? Corporations don't even play well with one another! Why should we be the sucker in this relation?

Now, to give a balanced view, it is true that GPL does pose an uphill battle. PNG suffered. SVG suffered (is suffering?), and Xiph.org still suffers with their codecs (with BSD-licensed libvorbis). People frown on looking at that ODT extension! I think this does not happen for technical reasons, but for management ignorance. Most techies would prefer to use open standards and GPL'd code. I do what I can to educate people, and make "strange" formats a more common occurrence in people's lives.

FLIF is not revolutionary. It may find a niche (PNG's), but will not dent JPEG, I think. That progressive loading is smart, though. Clever guys! That might make them more popular. (Still, LGPL would help on this.)

But the question we should ask goes like this: JPEG is already a popular file format for images. Corporations are trying to DRM it (as they did with MP3). Do we want to create another file format that could (likely will) follow that path? Personally, I'd prefer to have a free underdog that I can trust on.
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popperik: I can already see it:

Introducing GOP

Good Old Pictures

100% DRM-free
Regionally priced images (not available at all in Germany, of course)

and of course the Deluxe Collector's Edition Gold, which contains the soundtrack that was playing in the background when the photo was shot.
Good Old Porn would be 1000 times better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fYfdlKIon4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MRfvI8Mwv4
Post edited October 24, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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phaolo: Maybe in the future we'll need a subscription even to see images.. lol..
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rtcvb32: Nah, the simple solution...

Fuck entertainment! Drop down what you use to the bare minimum, notice how much more money you have because you aren't buying entertainment, or it's hardware. Then notice how much complaining there is because the movie/game/magazine/other industries are dying because they pushed DRM too much and won't blame it on DRM...
They will do what they always do & already are doing with not-so-well-selling games by blaming "pirates". Blame everyone and everything but themselves and their own failures.

The best future I can currently imagine? They add so much DRM/copyright protection and what not to all their stuff that they effectively become invisible to the public and kill off them self since nobody knows them anymore & see no reason to buy that stuff.
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Klumpen0815: FLIF will make JPEG obsolete anyway:
http://flif.info/
This guy is a genius and as much anti-DRM as possible.
FLIF is doomed to be an obscure format used be nerds:
FLIF is Free Software. It is released under the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 3 or any later version.
The GPL is too restrictive and companies shy away from it as much as possible. He should have used a pushover license like the MIT license instead. The FSF is aware of this and recommends using more permissive licenses because it is more important to get the format widespread instead of harping on principles.
Some libraries implement free standards that are competing against restricted standards, such as Ogg Vorbis (which competes against MP3 audio) and WebM (which competes against MPEG-4 video). For these projects, widespread use of the code is vital for advancing the cause of free software, and does more good than a copyleft on the project's code would do.

In these special situations, we recommend the Apache License 2.0.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html
(emphasis is mine)
Post edited October 24, 2015 by HiPhish
Just when I thought the level of bullshit about "piracy" reached its peak, I have to reconsider what the peak means...
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HiPhish: The GPL is too restrictive and companies shy away from it as much as possible. He should have used a pushover license like the MIT license instead. The FSF is aware of this and recommends using more permissive licenses because it is more important to get the format widespread instead of harping on principles.
That is nice of them. The FSF can be a bit stubborn some times (and often rightly so). This is new for me (or I may have seen this and forgotten it). Anyway, thank you for the link.


and [url=http://nikonrumors.com/2011/04/28/nikon-image-authentication-system-cracked.aspx/]Nikon already seem to have some digital signature system in place. They might get into the "picture encoding" DRM business if they think that will make them more money.