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SirPrimalform: I don't think Sachys was making that assumption. Maybe you do have more than one account, although the idea you're posting from an alt account doesn't exactly enhance your credibility so I'm not sure what your point is.
Starring:

Me(as Mike Tv)
Op(As Charlie)
You(As Grampa Joe, or maybe Willy Wonka with his flashbacks from all the nonsense)
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Also in flashback:
Other users here(as Wonka's father)
Op(Young Wonka)
Reality(museum guard)
Post edited November 21, 2019 by GameRager
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Master_Chen: There should never ever be more than a single stand-alone installed copy of any particular software per a PC system given. That is just common sense. If it's not being done like that and you get several exactly same versions of exactly same software being installed on your configuration - it produces unnecessary clutter and inevitably leads to a mess in the long term. It's one thing if a person has several different versions of ePSXe/Snes9x/Redream (like a release 1.4 and a release 1.5 being installed separately, for example), but it's an absolutely another case when same exact version of exactly same software is being copied/installed on one single machine over and over again. That is a downright asinine, outright infantile thing to do, in my personal opinion. It's just a very bad form all-around, no matter how hard you might try closing eyes on it/ignore it or even try to excuse/justify it.
It's definitely NOT a good thing in any way, shape, or form.
Honestly, this comes across as you demanding that GOG caters to your OCD. As much as I sympathise with anyone suffering from OCD, there's no excuse for passing the burden onto others and making ridiculous demands of them. If you don't like having lots of completely inert copies of ScummVM neatly contained within the game folders then you should delete them. Of course given that you've virtually admitted to posting from an alt account you've essentially admitted to being a troll.
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Master_Chen: ScummVM 2.1.0 was released at the start of October. We are at the latter part of the second half of November right now.
They (GOG's operators/system handlers) had more than a full month worth of time to test/update/improve these things, if anything.
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GameRager: They have many other jobs to do than just test those games, you know.
Funniest thing I've heard today.

I love the idea that the GoG "operators/system handlers" would be able to get this done in a month. Given the state of the site, forums and Galaxy, that that's not over-optimistic at all is it...
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So it came down to this, huh? You have no arguments left whatsoever, so you're playing the "anyone and everyone who ever disagrees with me on anything, is automatically a troll" card now? You either need to tryhard way more than just that, or grow up.
Post edited November 22, 2019 by Master_Chen
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Master_Chen: So it came down to this, huh? You have no arguments left whatsoever, so you're playing the "anyone and everyone who ever disagrees with me on anything, is automatically a troll" card now? You either must tryhard way more than just that, or grow up first.
Tbf I don't see you as a troll(I don't have enough info to make that call), and disagree with that "call people trolls if they disagree" line of reasoning. That said, I DO think you are being stubborn a bit here and asking a bit too much of gog in too short a time period/not trying to proper way to get change done(i.e. filing tickets/emailing them/etc).

As for others, I am guessing the fact that you discard most replies/ideas here and make mountains out of molehills/use hyperbole like candy might have something to do with how some are reacting.
Post edited November 22, 2019 by GameRager
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I'm just way too seasoned of a hardcore gamer to tolerate or ignore clear BS, when I see it. And when I spot it happening, I usually immediately and openly call out on it. The thing that is currently happening/going on with ScummVM on GOG, is exactly such of a case for me. I see it as utter BS that should never be tolerated and must never be swiped under a rug. Maybe you people are simply not used to seeing someone on the internet expressing themselves so openly when it comes down to pointing out glaring errors/mistakes/problems on things, but that's just the way how I operate in life as a person. I never tolerate crap and when I see one I immediately say so, with disregard of anyone's "feelings" about it. Your "hurt feelings" due to me saying that GOG is doing something badly/incorrectly, won't change my opinion. I couldn't care less if there's going to be an entire army of GOG's "defenders" or "shillers" against me when it comes down to this particular thing. I've been around this platform for roughly 10 years so regardless of anything anyone would try to throw at me in here, it'll bounce off like water from a goose or a lotus flower. Especially if these are going to be kindergartner-tier insults, defamation attempts, or outright cursing with no rhyme or reason whatsoever.
Post edited November 22, 2019 by Master_Chen
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Master_Chen: I'm just way too seasoned of a hardcore gamer to tolerate or ignore clear BS, when I see it. And when I spot it happening, I usually immediately and openly call out on it. The thing that is currently happening/going on with ScummVM on GOG, is exactly such of a case for me. I see it as utter BS that should never be tolerated and must never be swiped under a rug.
Then why are you complaining about it under an alt and not contacting gog using your main account?

And what does complaining to a bunch of strangers solve(mountains out of mole hills or no)? Have you contacted gog yet? If not then it probably doesn't bother you as much as you claim it does.

Also no one is trying to sweep anything under the rug....like some sort of conspiracy or plot....people just don't see it as that big a deal(most replying I mean), or think you should be reporting this to gog in the poper manner instead of bringing it up here over and over again.

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Master_Chen: Maybe you people are simply not used to seeing someone on the internet expressing themselves so openly when it comes down to pointing out glaring errors/mistakes/problems on things, but that's just the way how I operate in life as a person. I never tolerate crap and when I see one I immediately say so, with disregard of anyone's "feelings" about it. Your "hurt feelings" due to me saying that GOG is doing something badly/incorrectly, won't change my opinion.
Fair enough, but it makes you look less relatable/sympathetic when you do so....as the saying goes "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

(Addition: Saying simple stuff like: "I never considered that/it that way", "I will talk to gog about this thanks for suggesting such", and the like would've worked wonders and led to less people being upset with you, and been the better way to go here. And following that up by actually talking to gog support via the ticket system/email/etc would've been good as a followup)

Also I think more are upset less at you being upset at gog, and more about the LEVEL of your upset(being disproportionate to the problem at hand) & you using an alt to complain instead of talking to gog like most would(which might get more results than what you are doing now).

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Master_Chen: I couldn't care less if there's going to be an entire army of GOG's "defenders" or "shillers" against me when it comes down to this particular thing.
No one(afaik) is trying to defend gog for the sake of defending gog(or shill)...more are trying to show how what you're asking is hard to do/giving reasons why it cannot be done so easily and the end up defending gog in the process.

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Master_Chen: I've been around this platform for roughly 10 years so regardless of anything anyone would try to throw at me in here, it'll flow down/bounce off like water from a goose or a lotus flower. Especially if these are going to be kindergartner-tier insults, defamation attempts, or outright cursing with no rhyme or reason whatsoever.
You claim it doesn't bother you but you are clearly showing signs of being bothered(that's meant as an observation more than an insult).....and over reasonable(for the most part) criticisms and replies by others.

Imo you should step back from this thread, contact gog with your concerns about the ScummVm versions, and see what happens....if you don't then you're basically working against what you claim to want to see happen here and are weakening some of your arguments prior to this.
Post edited November 22, 2019 by GameRager
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Master_Chen: So it came down to this, huh? You have no arguments left whatsoever, so you're playing the "anyone and everyone who ever disagrees with me on anything, is automatically a troll" card now? You either need to tryhard way more than just that, or grow up.
It's more the admission of using an alt that did it for me.
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SirPrimalform: It's more the admission of using an alt that did it for me.
Also if Op didn't make a ticket to gog/try to contact gog yet then one would assume they just made the thread to rant about gog/gog's choices for sympathy and agreement posts & that they likely don't actually want to bother even trying to get what they want done done. (The above is just me joking to let off steam, Op...no harm/no foul, eh what?)
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Master_Chen: I'm just way too seasoned of a hardcore gamer to tolerate or ignore clear BS, when I see it. And when I spot it happening, I usually immediately and openly call out on it. The thing that is currently happening/going on with ScummVM on GOG, is exactly such of a case for me. I see it as utter BS that should never be tolerated and must never be swiped under a rug.
Most people here seem to disagree that this is the big problem you make it out to be.

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Master_Chen: Maybe you people are simply not used to seeing someone on the internet expressing themselves so openly when it comes down to pointing out glaring errors/mistakes/problems on things, but that's just the way how I operate in life as a person. I never tolerate crap and when I see one I immediately say so, with disregard of anyone's "feelings" about it.
Maybe you are simply not used to people disagreeing with you and you not getting what you want. I find your style of discussion pretty obnoxious TBH.
There should never ever be more than a single stand-alone installed copy of any particular software per a PC system given. That is just common sense. If it's not being done like that and you get several exactly same versions of exactly same software being installed on your configuration - it produces unnecessary clutter and inevitably leads to a mess in the long term.
It makes perfect sense to do that in some scenarios. Remember DLL-Hell, when every application dumped their needed Dlls into the Windows folder which lead to horrible version and dependency conflicts? Nowadays applications simply use the libraries from their own folder, even if that means you have the same Dll and version dozens of times on your HDD. And many of those aren't exactly light-weight (Unreal engine, Unity...), ScummVM is probably tiny in comparison.
Also keeping separate instances allows for separate updating, tweaking etc. Also makes clean de-installation easier, because when will you de-install the tool? When the last game has stopped using it? But if the user has added some manually your installer doesn't know about? What if game A requires version X and game B requires version X+1? And game C used to need version X but X+1 was fixed and now X+1 would be better?
This is what leads to a mess in the long term.
The way it currently is makes the most sense actually. HDD space is cheap, single instances can be updated as needed without affecting something else, if you delete the game ScummVM (or DOSBox) will be gone too. Delete all games, and everything's clean. If you want to use other versions of ScummVM or DOSBox (savestates ftw!), nothing is stopping you.
I do agree that GOG should update tools when there is a real benefit of doing so (as with Zork). In those cases one should contact support and point it out to them. In all other cases the basic rules of computing "Never change a running system" and "Don't fix what ain't broken" apply. This, IMO, is common sense.
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toxicTom: I do agree that GOG should update tools when there is a real benefit of doing so (as with Zork). In those cases one should contact support and point it out to them. In all other cases the basic rules of computing "Never change a running system" and "Don't fix what ain't broken" apply. This, IMO, is common sense.
Your entire post was eloquently written, and perfect as is(especially the part above). You make me envious of your posting skills and I tip my hat to you, good sir. *tip* :)
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toxicTom: Most people here seem to disagree that this is the big problem you make it out to be.

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You are a more patient person than me. +1
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Not sure what everyone is complaining about?
Just updated ScummVM to the latest version 2.5.1 within whatever xxx game, for me Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, folder and the game launches with no problems.
Just update and re-add the game via the ScummVM UI.
Post edited January 30, 2022 by mr_daruman
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mr_daruman: Not sure what everyone is complaining about?
Just updated ScummVM to the latest version 2.5.1 within whatever xxx game, for me Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, folder and the game launches with no problems.
Just update and re-add the game via the ScummVM UI.
That's quite a big necro considering you're just agreeing with what most people were already saying.
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mr_daruman: Not sure what everyone is complaining about?
Just updated ScummVM to the latest version 2.5.1 within whatever xxx game, for me Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, folder and the game launches with no problems.
Just update and re-add the game via the ScummVM UI.
Even better: install one copy of ScummVM(and update when needed) & copy all the needed data from Gog's game folders to subfolders within the ScummVM folder, then point to that data in ScummVM and delete the original Gog game folders. Neat and orderly, and no need for multiple copies of ScummVM.
Post edited January 30, 2022 by GamezRanker