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swat3player: complaint about high prices
As a German, all I can say is: you pay the same amount of money that I have to pay (BR115,- = ~€26,55).

Sure, you (probably) earn less than I do (apparently Brazil's average annual income is a quarter of Germany's), but don't forget: your cost of living is cheaper than mine.

Apartments, food, electricity, etc. all this is much cheaper in Brazil than in Germany.

So, while games (and other electronics and imported goods) are probably expensive in comparison - all (well, most of) the rest (=actual life relevant stuff) is much cheaper for you than it is for me.

Do you complain about that fact, too?
It's rather funny really. Just when GOG announces eliminating even the fair price package, so leaving those paying more than the base (US) price to just pay more, without even that compensation of the difference as store credit (which didn't make the practice itself any more tolerable from my point of view, but that's not the point now), someone from a region which gets discounts, averaging 50%, for almost the entire GOG catalog, comes to complain about a few of the literally just a handful of games, merely some 5% of the catalog, which aren't deeply discounted there... AND ONE WHICH IS, BGEE actually having that "normal" ~50% discount compared to its $19.99 (76.72 BRL) base price.
And as I see now, the average salary in Brazil would be 2270 BRL, which works out to 525 EUR. Poor African or (except China) Asian countries get no discounts, and I'd say those tend to have it worse. And over here in Europe, Serbia and Montenegro, not even in the EU, with an average salary around 450 (Serbia) or 510 (Montenegro) EUR, as well as Bulgaria and Romania, EU's poorest states, with an average salary of about 480 (Bulgaria) or 600 (Romania) EUR, more recently, for most newer releases and even games existing in the catalog which had pricing changes, started getting the Euro prices too, so currently averaging 13% higher than the US price, or some 2.25 times the Brazilian price. And as of the end of the month not even that 13% will be returned even as store credit.

Now it may be a matter of perceived impact due to the volatile currency, but seriously, seeing as for some 95% of the catalog the region gets huge discounts, this is a misplaced complaint (and it was one, despite the follow-up post). And seeing as it comes just when other regions which pay even more than the base price, so even more than double, despite comparable earnings, will lose even what little compensation they so far received, it's most definitely a mistimed one.

Edit: Of course, can't get into this again and not state my position on the whole matter yet again. Heh. Itchy fingers here...
1. In general I'll keep stressing that digital copies of content should basically be free for all who desire them. The resources used for any individual copy are negligible, creative works shouldn't be required to do well on the open market or be judged according to sales (other methods should be applied so content creators wouldn't need the earnings from their work, but then again that should go for everyone), and life sucks badly enough even without limiting access to entertainment.
2. While such content is being sold, however, I'll keep stressing that the same product, so in this case any copy of the same piece of content, sold by the same store, should have the exact same price regardless of where that stream of bits is sent to. Yes, considering the frequent (but also very much misplaced) complaint regarding VAT, that also means regardless of any local taxes which may apply, as those are the seller's problem to deal with and can be seen as the cost of doing business in that region, not anything the buyer should concern themselves with in any way. So definitely no regional price hikes for anyone.
3. The problem with regional discounts is that there's no way to make them fair. Some regions get them while others with similar or even worse situations don't, or get lower ones. And there are many poor people even in wealthy regions, and some wealthy people in poor regions. Still, I guess I can tolerate it if someone decides to send a digital copy, so something which in itself carries a near-zero cost, for less to some. Would never demand it for myself or my region though, despite it (and me) certainly meeting the "requirements", and look poorly upon those who demand it for themselves.
4. Considering the very frequent deep sales that are the norm for some years for games, if you want to play a game and want to legally purchase a digital copy, you should be able to find one for very very little soon enough. It may not be the specific game you want, but even that may become available at such a low price some years down the line. If you want a specific game at a specific time for a specific low price though, well, you may be a bit too demanding.
5. "Piracy" remains a very valid option if you see the conditions for purchase, which obviously include the price (but also things like being DRM free or, ahem, not having regional price hikes), as unacceptable. If you want to add some activism to it though, you should let the publisher know just why you're not buying their game. They don't need to know whether you're playing it by, ahem, other means or not, that makes absolutely no difference for them and their claims otherwise are all bull, but they should know that you'd have been interested in a purchase but not on those terms. And saying publishers because they set the prices and terms, stores generally just having the option to accept or refuse (refusal being something GOG should have done a whole lot more of, considering...), and developers being at the bottom of the pile and basically needing to take whatever's thrown at them while doing all the actual work.
/rant
Post edited March 11, 2019 by Cavalary
Why is the title of this thread designed precisely to look like clickbait? You just need a picture of someone jiggling their belly fat.
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Cavalary: /rant
First of all, let me just say I don't disagree with a lot of what you said there. Especially on the part about the bad timing to complain about this.

However, I feel like there is a big misunderstanding when you compare the average salary in Brazil to European countries with a much more economically homogeneous population.

Brazil is one of the most unequal countries in the world.

Right now, minimum wage in Brazil is R$ 954. However, a lot of people get paid below minimum wage. A recent study indicated that, out of 88,9 million working individuals, 44,4 million received on average R$ 747 monthly. That's roughly half of the working population. The top 1% monthly wages average R$ 27.213.

While the total average indeed is R$ 2.112, most people are not making half of that.
Post edited March 11, 2019 by samuraigaiden
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samuraigaiden: Right now, minimum wage in Brazil is R$ 954.
R$ 998

But yeah, still too low.
So, I tried posting the rest of what I was going to post earlier, but got the same "loading" that never ended again, so I'm pretty sure I'm hitting some sort of anti-spam feature designed to mess with bots.

It probably has to do with the bunch of prices in the text I was trying to post, so here's a very short version:

Mortal Kombat X Premium Edition pre-order: 150 BRL
Mortal Kombat 11 Premium Edition pre-order: 330 BRL

And that's more or less how much more expensive gaming has become for us Brazilians.
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Falci: So, I tried posting the rest of what I was going to post earlier, but got the same "loading" that never ended again, so I'm pretty sure I'm hitting some sort of anti-spam feature designed to mess with bots.

It probably has to do with the bunch of prices in the text I was trying to post.
I seem to recall that there are some number sequences that are blocked due to them being used by spammers at some point. Very wrong way to go about it, but then again it's GOG...
Is not 115 bucks... It's like 32 bucks... Which is the same as 115 reais. The price is set in dollars. I'm not complaining the iphone is like 100k bucks here... Yes, 100K! But is pesos, which in dollars is like 2400 (more expensive in this case, yes... but not 100k dollars). People need to make currency conversions before complaining. I'm actually finding Brazil has better prices than Argentina here.
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jonridan: I'm actually finding Brazil has better prices than Argentina here.
Discounts are similar where they apply, but some 500 more games are discounted in BR than in AR.
(Pardon, make that some 500 of those added before 2018 and therefore tracked by MaGOG, don't have the data for the newer additions, but generally seem to recall discounts applying to the entire region.)
Post edited March 12, 2019 by Cavalary
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Falci: So, I tried posting the rest of what I was going to post earlier, but got the same "loading" that never ended again, so I'm pretty sure I'm hitting some sort of anti-spam feature designed to mess with bots.

It probably has to do with the bunch of prices in the text I was trying to post, so here's a very short version:

Mortal Kombat X Premium Edition pre-order: 150 BRL
Mortal Kombat 11 Premium Edition pre-order: 330 BRL

And that's more or less how much more expensive gaming has become for us Brazilians.
It kinda depends on the publisher though looking at the Top sellers on steam

Mortal Kombat 11 premium - R$ 329,99 - 14%
DMC5 - R$ 129,99 - 43%
Sekiro SHadows Die Twice - R$ 199,90 - 13.20%
Factorio - R$ 50,00 - 56.%
Fallout 4 - R$ 34,99 -40 % (yes the game is on sale but the % difference from USD is static)
Divinity Original Sin 2 - R$ 90,99 - 47%
Astroneer - R$ 55,9 - 51%
Rainbow 6 Siege Ultimate - R$ 279,99 - 27%


So I mean sure some games are not priced at the 40% mark, but a lot of them are. I mean DMC5 is a new AAA title so its not like its only the 'indie' stuff. Even Fallout 4 is priced pretty good.
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satoru: ...
Oh, you're not wrong. Though, as I said before, overall prices have risen and we have less buying power.

Following my example, Warner is usually the western AAA publisher that gives the biggest discounts earliest. For example, though it's still marked at 150 BRL, Injustice 2 Legendary Edition have been on sale for 30 BRL four months ago on Nuuvem (I actually payed 15 due to some Paypal cross promotional thingy) and it's not a particularly old game.

This is something I mentioned originally in my post that I could not post, actually.

So I expect to pick up MK11 complete at a pretty decent price somewhere towards the middle or end of 2020. The problem is that MK is a series I like so much that I'd rather pick it up on pre-order. It's that ridiculously high price stops me from buying it out right.

Also, for some really long time, 100 BRL was our assumed price for anything AAA brand new, just like 60 USD is in the USA. So it's quite a hard break from norm for us as well.