I'm not exactly comfortable with telling the mafia absolutely everything. I have some powers, some of them are used up. Isn't that enough? Why would I tell them what is it I have left (if anything)? They know enough already. Of course, if most people insist, I will give you all the details. I just don't think it's wise, that's all.

But go ahead and keep convincing me of your guilt, Robb. I fully expected you to try and throw suspicion on me because of the double block. But it's a weak case you've got there and you know it.

One more thing that occurred to me -- Vítek only told us Typhoon's first name. This means you did not learn his last name, Vítek? That is peculiar. A theory: all of the mafia have first names that are not Jack. Discuss.

Who do you suspect?

Weak case? Me??!! I actually think its mighty suspicious - claiming a double block means you don't have to make stuff up about what you did and on whom - very handy at this late stage when there's not many players left and one slip will be glaring....

But I think you might have something with first name not actually Jack thought - just another pointer at Orryrro for me...

@Roosh - dunno if that was directed at me or Baz, but I'll answer anyway.

Orryrro - pretty sure he's scum.

Jess and Baz - between those two. You and Vitek are clean for me, you with the doublevote, Vitek with the Typhoon reveal. I'm leaning towards Jess being the other member at the moment.

This of course assumes 2 Mafia left, which may not be case with the setup. I'm thinking as we're all noobs at the game that it will be though...

Why? Orry did claim a Jack name. An odd one, true, but a Jack nevertheless. Are you so eager to lynch him you don't even care to make a proper case? I'd just love to know if you're trying to do a mislynch or a bus throw there.

How does the Typhoon reveal clear Vitek, exactly? Refer to #542, third paragraph, please.

There are two mafia left. Definitely. If there were three, the game would be over by now. And there can't be just one, because there was a block and a kill tonight. (Of course if you don't believe I was blocked, this point is invalid, but that's the way the game is.)

Then again, I'm pretty sure Robb is scum, so I'm wasting breath here. This thing won't move forward until the weekend ends and more people chime in, I suppose. Reading the exchanges between me and Robb must be getting really tiresome by now. An old married couple couldn't bicker more.

In the meantime, let's do a votecount.

Votecount

Jack all votes.

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Wait, right, I forgot it was 4 to lynch, not 3. So disregard all I said re: Rooshandark. Wrong premise, wrong conclusion.

And without further ado,

vote Robbeasy

Its true we bicker, but like you said, it has to be moving forward...I've GOT to answer this one though , as its so obvious....

You said in #544 'all the Mafia have FIRST names that are not Jack.discuss' (my capitals).

Orryyrros claimed name - 'Union Jack'.

I can only say I find it desperate indeed that you use your own wrong logic to beat my with - yeah he claimed a Jack name, but FIrst name? No.

But, you're convinced I'm Mafia so I'm wasting my breath here. I still dont think your Mafia , but I am woindering if you dont have some sort of specific Lynch role, with me named as the Lynchee.....

Still, for me the case against Orryrro is solid enough.

Vote Orryrro

I accept what you say about Vitek in #542 - good point. Hes not as clear as I thought.

It's more because I want to believe someone. I just think he is town. His game seems quite pro-active and pro-town. His claim also seems fitting into this game.

Though now, I find quite strange he said he didn't acted on night 1 and was blocked on night 2 and 3 before but now he also said he used up some of his powers.

Nay, I found out he is Jacques Villenauve so it was his whole name. It's just I wanted to accent he is not Jack and thought it's enough. Also I don't know how his name is spelled and didn't bother to look it up in my PM. :-P

That's because I was late to the party, last to claim. I usually get here only once per day at max. If I claimed sooner I would confirm Nazarush as well as Typhoon and there woudl be no such problem
. But looking back it was not only because of my sketchy access. It was agreed (upon you suggestion) to claim with popcorn method and it was Nazarush's turn to claim before myself so he just had to give out information I had before I had the chance.

My reason to inspect roosh is partly based on 3 "cops". I thought there could be 3 cops to balance out strong mafia. Like with doublevoter. Still right now I don't take it as the most propable scenario.
Also there was no doctor so one missing power role had to be balanced out with other.

Rob, you impugn (weird word) baz claim of being roleblocked, call it mighty suspicious, but on the other hand you don't think he is mafia? How so? So you think he is town making up being blocked?

Also Rob, I have one game unrelated question for you. Some people refers to you as Robb but I assumed you are Rob Beasy, could you shed some light into this? Thanks. :-)

@ Vitek - I'm a Rob, but I'm not a Beasy...i just liked the easy bit added on the end - the original reasons for the name are lost in the mists of time I'm afraid...;o)

As for Baz and his roleblocked claims - like yourself, Im leaning towards town for him, but like yourself I find the fact hes not successfully used ONE power yet more than a tad suspicious. Points in his favour are the Jack of all Trades roleclaim - something you just KNOW the Mod will put into a game like this, and the fact he does seem to be quite proactive, nonwithstanding he's completely barking up the wrong tree with chasing me. For me there are doubts about him, but he's not up the top of the list.

There's only one really shaky claim for me - Orry.

They are one shot abilities. Doesn't matter if I'm successful or not, once I use them, they're gone. So I've lost two of them already, even though nothing came out of it. I didn't want to use any on night one, because I didn't see a good target and didn't want to waste them. But yes, I am not exactly a roaring success as a power role.

And for Robb, you think Union is the first name and Jack the last name? Isn't that odd? Then again, you're the native speaker here, but to me, he's a Jack alright. Besides, Vitek's explanation does seem fairly plausible, which shoots down that theory somewhat.

Sorry, weekend absence. I agree with this. This was what I was alluding to at the end of my #530, re: a possible comment depending on night action outcomes. This is why Roosh has to be (and had better be) town, because if he's Mafia and there are two Mafia left, Mafia controls 3 votes, and with the couple votes already cast by baz and Robb now, they can win the next time they're both on together.. well maybe they have not been online yet, but I highly doubt it.

So as baz said, assuming he's speaking the truth, there are exactly two Mafia left. Another reason why, if there were one left, I'd expect a Godfather to be paired with the Framer as the only two Mafia (both playing with innocent vs guilty roles, especially when there's an ambiguous 3rd party role to mess up the cop too), so I wouldn't have expected the cop to be killed, so I suspected two when Naz went down and this confirms it. There's a chance baz is scum, but even then I believe it is still likely for that reason - if not we have room for a mislynch anyway and can confirm this tomorrow if we miss scum but are still alive.

Re Vitek's role: One thing that struck me is that I don't see the Mafia having any use whatsoever for a name cop role, if the role is true. You said he's only confirmed town or outed a Mafia which he'd presumably know so far. While I can see the logic behind that, aren't those the only two things he can do anyway? Especially after we had already finished claiming at that point. It is essentially saying any cop claim is dubious because Mafia know who all is innocent or guilty too - which is not wrong, mind you, it's absolutely right, I'm just saying there's nothing to notice because that's the standard not-dead-yet reaction to a cop claim anyway, and there's no way to prove his reads unless he dies. If he was scum, however, and assuming two scum left, it seems they could easily win by having Vitek "out" someone else with a false name and everyone voting them for the mislynch. For the reason of that not happening, even though he got his action off, Vitek is likely town.

However Vitek brings up an interesting point that he thinks everyone claimed their real names because he wasn't blocked. I don't agree, simply because with a cop, a JOAT, and a name cop, it's three roles instead of two that need to be handled, and they found the JOAT more dangerous I guess. Mainly, even if Orry is scum with his Jack last name instead of first name, everyone else is a first-name Jack (Roosh's is kind of weird but I don't think he's scum due to ability, as stated earlier in this post - if Roosh and Orry are the two scum then they win when they log on and vote Robb I guess) so someone else is probably lying.

@Robb That is true, I suppose it's a good claim for a Mafia to make, but at the same time if there was another 3rd party role it would look mighty suspicious. It seems claiming vanilla would be safer if I were Mafia anyway. I also have flavour supporting the role that I paraphrased, and I wonder if flavour-claiming of some sort would help to make the Mafia slip. Also I have a slightly better reason to win with the town than Mafia - but explaining why would be anti-town at the moment, and that's as much of a hint as I can give. Like baz I share reservations on your claim and the earlier D2-3 stuff. However I agree with your baz roleblocked thing, see below.

About baz:
There is a small possibility baz is scum too, because while he did claim early, the name claim was the only real dangerous part as a JOAT could very well be an actual Mafia role as well. I don't think so as he seems to be scumhunting, but, he was very conveniently roleblocked the second night (I think) before he had claimed, and this after an actionless first night as others have said. So two mysterious nights before the roleclaim so that the JOAT got exactly zilch actions to fire off this entire game.

@baz Depending on what the others think too, I actually think I'd like to hear what powers the JOAT has and whom you targetted with what now. The reason is that we only have two night roles left anyway, assuming all claims are correct, so there's no point in hiding now - either we lynch a Mafia today or we lose, and if we do lynch, the last Mafia assumedly won't be able to both kill and block (or vice versa) you and Vitek. However I'd like to make sure your claim holds - you are welcome to wait for others to say yea or nay first though. You don't even have to say what exactly was used, I'd just like to know your reasons for targetting whoever you may have targetted. It's very minor, but something doesn't really sit right with me about them blocking the more pro-town one with a potential doctor/vig/cop whatever else role, and killing the quieter one with the cop role, rather than the other way around. However that may be just smoke and mirrors, we'll see. It's still not enough to push you past Orry or Robb in my eyes yet, but that may change.

@Orryyrro Could you please state your reads on who your suspects are currently? I think you've only said one thing since the day started and it was really just a "checking in", somewhat fatalistic post. That's not a giving up post, right?

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Yeah baz, Union is definitely his first name and Jack his last name. Union Jack is the UK flag (he claimed the flag earlier and was very adamant it wasn't the superhero with the same name). That's why in his claim, Jack's definitely the last name, thus the suspicion.

@baz so your saying i can use my double vote or no.
Also i got no idea who to suspect right now so yea ;\

Robb is definitely my primary suspect, he seems to have latched on to the whole Union Jack not being a Jack thing a little too hard.

I agree that the odds of Roosh being mafia are incredibly low.

Vitek is hard not to believe since he outed Typhoon as Jaques, though it could have been a gambit.

Your play is consistent with a survivor, so i don't think killing you now would accomplish anything and would be risky, in case you were actually a survivor.

That leaves Baz, Baz has had very consistent play the entire game, he seems town, which is odd since he's the only one left that I could suspect, he's also leading the charge against Robb, who is my primary suspect.

Just a quick reaction today: the double block thing does make perfect sense if Robb is scum. That's the theory I've been pursuing for some time now. It's like this: I spent the entire second half of day two hounding Robb mercilessly, while unclaimed. Nightkilling me could therefore turn very easily against Robb (highly undesirable), and there was a good chance my attacks were caused by me being a cop. So they blocked me on night two -- silently disarming me, as it were.

As for last night, a cop is markedly more dangerous than I am in the long term, especially if the town already believes him. And if you look at the list of claims, I was the perfect target for a block: very likely to use a night power with pretty high potential of hitting a mafia target -- if I was right this whole time, that is. And as an added bonus, the two blocks in a row can be used to create a case against me -- and Robb didn't disappoint there.

If Robb isn't scum, the whole thing makes a lot less sense. Which is why I keep hounding him. It just fits.

More later.

Very good - you use the fact there is actually a case against you, and try to turn it round onto me!

10 out of 10 for effort, but its just wrong my friend. And as Jess has stated, I really would like to hear the powers and who / what you've tried so far - as she rightly points out theres no point in hiding now.

I've consistently had Orry as my main suspect throughout the whole game - the damnation lynch, the roleclaiming name theory etc etc. He managed to slip out on day 1, has never really slipped off the radar for me. He calls Baz as town, merely because Baz is hounding me, who is his prime suspect....not the safest logic there Orry.

Every time Baz has come up with a massive lynch push on me I have defended myself with logic, with reason, and pretty much refuted all points. I have no idea why he keeps hounding me, I really do think there are more likely targets. The idea he has me being dead as some sort of win condition, apart from the normal, is making more and more sense to me as time goes by.

I implore people - think for yourselves! @Roosh - you dont have to ask Baz if you can use your double vote, its your choice!! Dont be led down the garden path by walls of text and spurious reasons why someone is guilty or not. Use your own judgement!.