His death doesn't. The reaction to the possibility of a lynch vote on him does. It's exaggerating consequences and trying to point the finger the other way at all costs, which is a recurring theme in your replies to me. As I stated above, you halted just short of a role-claim in order to get my attention to turn elsewhere. It was a bluff, I called it, and you backed down on that front.

The wording is damning because it adds another little bit of scumminess to your desperate attempts at ending the witch-hunt.

Your continuous worry that I'm going to lynch you when my vote hasn't landed on you is the big thing that confirmed Orryyrro and yourself as mafia. You could have figured "Well christ, no one will listen to this crazy lady," made a comment to that effect, and left it alone -- nmillar did that. You could have, in a more scummy way but still less scummy than explosive reaction, stayed completely silent and out of the way, look to Orryyrro for that, not that it matters.

But you consistently attempted to change my mind at every turn, despite you only being a suspect, not even the subject of my vote! Why would that matter? Simply because the only reason you have to worry about Orryyrro getting lynched is if he's mafia and you're mafia as well, because then if he gets the noose it'll be certain that one of my other suspects will too.

There is no way that your reactions make sense for a townie under any circumstances that I can think of.

Yes, I was confident-acting in very early posts because I was reaction-fishing -- and I got a big'n.

If you've read my other posts you'd know far more implicates you than those three things you listed alone, they're just the FIRST ones and the MOST PROMINENT one, respectively.

On the off chance you aren't mafia I'm waiting for you to offer me another suspect. I'd love to see another good suspect with a good reason behind their suspiciousness.

This is precisely what I mention in the first section of this reply -- you plead for me to change my mind desperately, even though you're not the one who is getting voted for. You try to point the finger my way, and even word it such that it is, according to your post, inevitable. Scum.

Consider it a miswording. I have come to doubt my suspecion of Ghost, truly, but I cannot know if he's truly a townie. An oversight, I suppose. There's not much I can say to escape that one, I'd guess, and considering that I am more riled up about this whole ordeal than I should be, I don't wish to attempt my hand at doing so further.
It's your vote, you cast it as how you see fit, just know that if I do get lynched, you'll do the mafia a favour.

@Damnation Perhaps. We'll see how the rest of the day plays out. I'd be interested to know if you do decide one way or the other whether Ghost is town or scum within the next couple posts.

@GhostQlyph You referenced yourself as a lady up there in #106. Whoops and terribly sorry if you are, didn't mean to call you a he all this time (just assumed!). It's an eye opening argument though, and you may well be right on the overreaction thing.

Although I do still have some grave doubts about ghost and her way of going about things, it can't be denied that Damnation looks to be on more and more shaky ground with every post.

Not moving my vote from Orryyrro though - Silence is damning for him, he knows he is in some sort of trouble yet does nothing to defend himself .

So, damnation is defending himself too much, and I'm not defending myself enough? Why would me trying to defend myself help, you would have no reason to believe I was telling the truth, like I already stated, i suspect all of you until further notice.

point taken and agreed on
Unvote Orryyrro

I think I can answer for Robbeasy. It's not that you don't defend yourself, defense is usually a scummy thing. You're almost completely silent on the subject, not even a backhanded remark, until long, long after I turn my attentions your way, as if you're trying to dodge any and all suspicions.

Sorry Jess, just come across this - in hindsight, it does a little, but I still wasn't happy with his silence on the subject - he could have easily confirmed it was a vote as he was part of that Dark Heresy game, but didnt bother. Touch of scummy behaviour for me , that.

More interested in Damnation right now. Nazarush and GoJays have been particularly quiet as well, but (meta-game) they were quiet in the first game as well....its a good exercise, comparing posts between games - for those who this is the first game, I would say it gives you an advantage - you can compare and contrast people who are in here and were in game 1 as all roles are known in that game, it can give you a good indicator as to role changes for different people...

Anyway, I digress a little. Damnation, you have now come over all fatalistic and have stopped trying to defend yourself - either the last attempts of a desperate man to pull back some ground, or someone seriously fed up with all the flak heading your way.

Gonna give you a little more time to pull yourself out of the firing line, or hang yourself out to dry a little more...tell me why I shouldnt vote for you....

@GhostQlyph: defense is usually scummy? How so? An innocent player has as much reason to defend themselves against accusations as a guilty one. Overall, I have to say that I doubt you're "proof" against the people you have accused.

But even though I disagree with you, all of your recent posts make me think you are in fact a scumhunting townie rather than scum pushing for a mislynch.

Unvote: GhostQlyph

So I've reread the thing. I completely lost track of the votes quite quickly, so I'll

request a votecount, please.

And I feel sorry for Zchinque, it will be a tedious one.

As for the developments -- I find it very odd that GhostQlyph never acknowledged that the Dark Heresy thing does throw a spanner in the works quite a bit. And I am frankly amazed at statements such as "There's some pretty hard-to-argue evidence on my side" (post 103), because no matter how you cut it, there isn't. Hard-to-argue evidence is a rare and precious thing in this game, particularly on day one.

Damnation I do not see as mafia. His might be just an exaggerated reaction at the aggressiveness GhostQlyph is showing; knowing me, I'd probably lose my temper over that as well. And I don't think losing your temper is scummy -- to me, it hints at quite the opposite, actually (not very strongly, though).

And because I see the case against Damnation as standing on extremely wobbly legs, I am surprised to see jesskitten defending it so vehemently. To me, her posts give off the most suspicious vibe of all I've read here. Therefore, vote jesskitten.

it was one of the first things I did, I can't be available to post all the time.

Sorry, I disagree. Damnation's behaviour is becoming more and more erratic as the day goes on, which begs the question, "Why are you defending him?". A little food for thought.

Unvote Rooshandark. Vote Damnation.

Would there really be a point? I have turned very fatalistic, I suppose, but I grow slightly tired of the witch hunt posed against me. I've become very defensive about the flak heading my way, and as bazilisek says, anyone would do that. I've made points, and have made mistakes in those that would be perceived as scummy, and such as it is right now, I don't have much way of defending myself with anymore.

As to why I have not pointed in another person's direction, is because that would hardly make my case any better, now would it? But I cannot really hold Ghost to anything any more, she does make good points, against both me and Orryyrro, and my slips have been picked right up. So first of all, unvote GhostQlyph.

As to why you shouldn't vote for you - I actually don't care much anymore, people do what they will, and I have never been one to attempt to stop them. I'm an individualist, and I think everyone holds their right to be who they are and do what they wish. So if you feel the points or "evidence" against me is convincing enough, then such is what you should do. Who knows, you might be right?

That was poor wording and I apologize. I should have said that notable defense is a scummy thing, which doesn't help explain what I meant much at all, so let's try this again:

Scum would react quick to defend themselves at any cost, or lay low entirely and hope the spotlight passes over. Defense is okay, even just acting dismissive altogether (see: nmillar), but overreaction and completely ignoring that there is a vote on you are pretty scummy.

Orryyrro's eventual reply would have pushed him down the scum-list if I didn't see Damnation making ridiculous, exaggerated remarks about the consequences that make almost no sense given the current set-up without them both being mafia. (See previous post for why it would make sense then.)

And now for bazilisek...

The Dark Heresy thing does throw a spanner in the works, yes, but as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, "Early on it was admittedly asspulls and going off of tiny hunches, but it all paid off." I still find it fishy, but it's no longer a huge reason, it's just one pebble on a mountainside.

As for "hard-to-argue evidence" -- by comparison with the evidence that was and is being offered against me (as well as the evidence you have against Jesskitten), mine is practically rock solid. Damnation has said some outright scummy things and acted desperate from the moment I first put him on the reaction-fishing scum-list.

His very first reaction was to retaliate against my suspicions of him and scumvote of Orryyrro with a reason that is completely counter-intuitive to me, and append a lynchvote to it. Perhaps others aren't as mystified by the reasoning behind it, but somehow avoiding bandwagons and sticking my neck out seems to me like the last thing a Mafia member would do.

I'd agree with you if he hadn't been overreacting ridiculously from the get-go. I make a single reaction-fishing post and another that was calm and showing a decreased interest in my own theory -- and he goes straight for the retaliation. Scum behavior, that.

Hopefully you'll reconsider after reading the above.

I voted for you, I have not lynchvoted you, otherwise you'd be dead.