I am against anyone or anything who discriminates. Yes, there are "evil" men and "evil" women. PEOPLE can be evil, but that is people, not feminism in particular. The "feminazis" of which you speak are NOT "everywhere", waiting for you under your bed or in your closet. Yes, regrettably they do exist, but they are NOT a majority. Most feminists actually LIKE men, and believe they can do better and believe in raising their children (male and female) to be better PEOPLE. A true feminist is as much against male stereotypes as against the female ones.

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.05% female gamers. ;)


I think the one weakness that will take mankind the longest to overcome is "Loneliness."

My experience tells me that this is a field where the average women and the average man is not (noticeably) different.

You should visit Sweden then. Not too long ago I spent an entire lunch break at my uni talking about Morrowind mods with some girls there, and the day before that I talked about Age of Empires 2 and viable strategies with another girl. Girls who play video games are incredibly common over here. It has almost reached the point where it is a viable icebreaker when trying to talk to random people at parties. Once it became a bit more socially acceptable to be a "geek girl", geek girls became about as common as geek guys.

I've been to Sweden many times. I love Sweden. Last time I was there was over 4 years ago though. All the Swedish girls I talked to, weren't very geek like so this could be a new thing in Sweden. These girls were around my age so today, they'd all be 27, 28, 29. I wish I could move to Sweden. I'd even be willing to do janitor work if it means living in Sweden.

I'm on board with what you're saying here. I was speaking from an American perspective, as was the article. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the social stigma is different in Poland.

And yeah that's kind of the whole point. Societies create the idea of what a "gamer" is and what a "woman" is and where to two meet. That doesn't change the basic fact that this article isn't making a point unless it shows who is playing what, since it's well known and super common that women play casual games. What we need to work on is them playing "core" games.

Though honestly even that is a question, isn't it? Once you accept gender roles are social constructs you begin to debate when that is bad and when it is good.

Back in my days we'd been taught it since third grade, primary school, and since then it's been moved to first grade. The people you met were morons -_-.
As far as I can tell, one has the best chances in university cities and tourist destinations... which is where I'm at ;P.

Oh, you've seen Warsaw ^^'...
Actually - this sounds like one hell of an anecdote...

I kept thinking about this... What WOULD be an unsafe place? Is it only the Internet? Who would the hostility be coming from - other women or men?
As another anecdote - my ex-roommate's attractiveness at a party went from "kinda ugly" to "center of attention" once she mentioned playing Starcraft... No definite info on how drunk everyone involved was, but (as far as I've heard) the reactions were unanimously positive.
Hell - maybe it has something to do with the iron curtain?

And they'd probably speak English with both the finesse and pronunciation I was so envious of in our exchange students *_*...

For a moment I felt somewhat guilty of derailing, and then it occured to me that the thread is basically "Hey (geek guys)! There are geek GIRLS!". "How can we get our hands on them?" is only a natural reaction ;P...

Unless one falls into depths of "anthropological relativism", at which point there is no longer any overarching "good" or "bad", and if a given society is into some particular form of mutilation or persecution, that's just "the way they are" and it would be unjust to try and deprive them of their heritage ;P.
On the other hand - "cultural universals", I've heard, are a dirty word...

Meanwhile: Jenny Haniver.

I don't think we have ever debated. I don't consider pointing out your logically fallacious talking points a debate. Oh, that reminds me:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

You make no counter-argument what-so-ever, nor do you tell me why relevant data is unimportant. Shocker.
This is doubly amusing since I am the one asking for more research and better data reporting, so that we can avoid using anecdotal evidence and fallacies.

He can't. A single conjecture from the above and you could post THIS ;P. On the other hand - he can perfectly adhere to the "Gameranger school of thought" which consists of pointing out that we cannot be sure that you are right... ad nauseam.
Unfortunately - it's hard to firmly grasp the difference between petitio principii and a well-meaning approximation of reality...

Anyway, let's all socially construct a peaceful world with no violence or difference and then we can all play the same video games because love.

Why do you believe it is relevant?

I've explained that already. You never replied or addressed those points. You're also still not adding anything, just poking others.

I'm not replying to you again until you add substance to the discussion.

Henry Jenkins (MIT) - Impact of gaming. Myths:

"4. Almost no girls play computer games.
Historically, the video game market has been predominantly male. However, the percentage of women playing games has steadily increased over the past decade. Women now slightly outnumber men playing Web-based games. Spurred by the belief that games were an important gateway into other kinds of digital literacy, efforts were made in the mid-90s to build games that appealed to girls. More recent games such as The Sims were huge crossover successes that attracted many women who had never played games before. Given the historic imbalance in the game market (and among people working inside the game industry), the presence of sexist stereotyping in games is hardly surprising. Yet it's also important to note that female game characters are often portrayed as powerful and independent. In his book Killing Monsters, Gerard Jones argues that young girls often build upon these representations of strong women warriors as a means of building up their self confidence in confronting challenges in their everyday lives."

Psychologically, a girl that plays some rpg/fps are usually more extrovert, tougher, and somewhat more down to earth, than a girl that occasional plays some FB game, and spends all her time in front of a mirror, without necessary having a strong figure in their life. But I`m not going to run to deep into that rabbit hole.

That`s just my own personal experience. Nothing else. :D


ESA report 2011:
The average game player age is 37
18% under 18
58% male vs 42% women
The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 41

ESA report 2013:
The average game player age is 30
32% under 18
55% men vs 45% women
The average age of the most frequent game purchaser 35


They`re getting younger and younger these days, right? :D
But it`s only natural given that more and more kids are getting a handheld/smart phone, and would rather play on those than on a normal computer, because it is portable and/or easier to share experiences with other kids in their social development. Those games are usually either very small and compact games, or browser games, effectively excluding bigger AA games.

https://www.esrb.org/about/images/vidGames04.png (2010/2008 I believe)

Well, I took a trip down memory lane and the closest post I could find to an answer is this one:


This isn't an answer and it is easy to see why:


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You can be sure publishers have the statistics about individual games (largely through online accounts now) but it would be foolish to equate that data with gender based genre bias.