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Menelkir: Same here, i can admire someone for the music/art/movies they create, but when i hear about the way some of them go, that makes me wonder if they are actually worth the trouble, i mean drug overdose? Come on, that's a shitty as hell way to kick the bucket.
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cogadh: Spoken by two people who obviously do not know the difficulties of dealing with mental problems, extreme creativity, the pressures of fame or addiction. People like Layne and Cobain may have self-destructed, but don't discount their contributions based solely on that fact. In addition, pray that you or any of your loved ones never have to deal with anything like that. Frankly, if I were in that situation, I certainly wouldn't want either of you in my circle of friends and family, you offer the kind of support that leads to overdoses and suicides.

Agreed. This is a thread for remembering a great artist on the anniversary of his death so please keep opinions like that to yourself.
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Menelkir: Same here, i can admire someone for the music/art/movies they create, but when i hear about the way some of them go, that makes me wonder if they are actually worth the trouble, i mean drug overdose? Come on, that's a shitty as hell way to kick the bucket.
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cogadh: Spoken by two people who obviously do not know the difficulties of dealing with mental problems, extreme creativity, the pressures of fame or addiction. People like Layne and Cobain may have self-destructed, but don't discount their contributions based solely on that fact. In addition, pray that you or any of your loved ones never have to deal with anything like that. Frankly, if I were in that situation, I certainly wouldn't want either of you in my circle of friends and family, you offer the kind of support that leads to overdoses and suicides.

Thank you, glad I didn't have to be the one who said it this time. Noone can truly understand the desperate sadness and emptiness that a life of prolonged depression gives unless they've experienced it (kind of like extroverts trying to understand introverts).
Despite the fact that my depression is older than Rohan and despite how bad things have gotten, I still think suicide is a weaklings way out but I UNDERSTAND it.
As for the actual topic, Alice In Chains was one of the best non-metal bands of the 90s (not as good as soundgarden but noone were) and infinitely better than Nirvana were. Nivana were popular rather than good.
Post edited April 05, 2010 by Aliasalpha
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Salsa_Shark: Agreed. This is a thread for remembering a great artist on the anniversary of his death so please keep opinions like that to yourself.

Why can't i express an opinion, why should i keep it to myself?
Please, enlighten me.
Seriously, i would like to learn the reasons....
Post edited April 05, 2010 by Menelkir
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Salsa_Shark: Agreed. This is a thread for remembering a great artist on the anniversary of his death so please keep opinions like that to yourself.
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Menelkir: Why can't i express an opinion, why should i keep it to myself?
Please, enlighten me.
Seriously, i would like to learn the reasons....

I didnt say you cant express your opinion i asked you nicely not to. In hindsight i should have said comments.
I've had a friend that recentlly killed himself and completly agree with cogadh, alias and salsa shark
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lukaszthegreat: I refuse to respect any person who dies of drug overdose or commits suicide.
they are morons and nothing of value was loss. Just feel sorry for all those people those idiots hurt.

Yeah and I'm sure anybody that has ever had a family member or friend OD or commit suicide really appreciate spreading this type of thinking. sorry but you're coming across as a huge tool
Post edited April 06, 2010 by CaptainGyro
AiC is my favorite band. I like the new album, which is far from being my favorite one but I like DuVall. It sounds different but it still sounds like AiC to me. I hated to see Layne for leaving like that but, like many other fans, I was expecting that to happen sooner or later. I regret that he never released another Mad Season album.
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Menelkir: Why can't i express an opinion, why should i keep it to myself?
Please, enlighten me.
Seriously, i would like to learn the reasons....

Metaphorically speaking, think of this thread as an online funeral. People who come here will speak about the deceased to grieve and remember, so to speak. Given the fact that the thread says R.I.P. Layne Stanley, it's not such a large stretch. If you spoke similar opinions at a live funeral, I'm sure that some eyebrows would be raised. Same thing with weddings, etc. Our online world is merely an extension of the so-called "real world."
If the thread where titled, let's say, "What are your perceptions of artists whose deaths involve drug overdose and suicide," then I could support you argument on free opinions. Regardless, that's all I shall say.
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Montage7: If you spoke similar opinions at a live funeral, I'm sure that some eyebrows would be raised. Same thing with weddings, etc. Our online world is merely an extension of the so-called "real world."

You wouldn't talk like that in presence of family members and friends. That's a completely different situation. Online, you might hurt feelings of vulgum pecus like us, that doesn't justify it, but that's not really important.
Post edited April 06, 2010 by Cambrey
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Salsa_Shark: Agreed. This is a thread for remembering a great artist on the anniversary of his death so please keep opinions like that to yourself.
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Menelkir: Why can't i express an opinion, why should i keep it to myself?
Please, enlighten me.
Seriously, i would like to learn the reasons....

Woah man, just Woah. Now if it were your brother or your sister who OD'd and someone was saying that you would get mad. So you know people are going to react this way. Now I don't condone drug abuse or anything, but you don't make fun of something as serious as someone dying.
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CrashToOverride: but you don't make fun of something as serious as someone dying.

Damn right
Unless its courtney love...
Heh.
I saw some serious shit in this world. From mutilated children working their ass of for a buck on streets of Delhi to villages ruined by war.
I saw that kind of stuff as a little kid and really had an impact on me. The world was not sugercoated for me.
That's why I don't buy it. I cannot respect drug overdose or a suicide.
What's the explanation for Kurt's death? He was angst about his music being commercialized? That's the reason?
I would love him being angst when he has to go through garbage to find enough just to eat that day.
Cocaine overdose? That's even worse. Buying that crap he supported criminal organizations. People who kill innocent, pimp little girls and smuggle people in containers.
How can you support something like that?
Alcohol poisoning? Sleeping pills overdose? This i can understand. Shit happens and they went overboard. Cocaine? Never.
People might have mental problems, might think about suicide and I would do what I can to stop them. Yet if they do go with it there is no way i will respect them. They will be just little pathetic creatures in my eyes who couldn't face real problems and had to use an escape route.
@Alias: Go to third world country to work for few months (from my uni it was around 2000 bucks for 1.5 month). You will see there is nothing to be depressed about.
Dude I'm not trying to say that I have the worst life ever, thats the exact kind of over entitled whining shit I hate myself. By strict comparison to the majority of people on the planet my life is comfortable and my physical needs are adequately met. Hypothetically I have nothing at all to complain about, there is absolutely nothing wrong with my life but by contrast there is absolutely nothing RIGHT with it either
The problem with me is that there is a physical problem with my brain (not the first time that observation has been made) that basically changes my default mood and makes a neutral mood a challenge to achieve and happiness impossible to sustain.
Please if you want to argue over drugs, depression etc create a new thread.
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lukaszthegreat: Heh.
People might have mental problems, might think about suicide and I would do what I can to stop them. Yet if they do go with it there is no way i will respect them. They will be just little pathetic creatures in my eyes who couldn't face real problems and had to use an escape route.

so do you consider people with other types of illnesses as pathetic little creatures too? Today I saw a dude with spinal meningitis. WHAT A PUSSY!
I guess--according to some here--the lives of David Foster Wallace, Jack Kerouac, John K. Toole, Richard Brautigan and Ernest Hemingway are deserving of no recognition because they all killed themselves in some way.
A lot of people with fatal and absolutely agonizing illnesses decide on suicide, and there sometimes is nothing wrong with that. Take ALS for example, an illness my mother is currently suffering the last stages of, and one that not long ago came into the spotlight because of Kevorkian's assistance in one man's suicide.