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orcishgamer: Here's him practically groping this lady (the brunette I've been informed) and another employee http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/stardock-female-employee-sues-for-sexual-harassment-gets-sued-for-fucking-up-elemental.75826/#post-2255694
What's he doing that's so horribly inappropriate there?
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StingingVelvet: He's being a horrible, horrible person and anyone who thinks otherwise has no logical frame of mind about harassment or perhaps women in general.

This is a broad statement, but I mean every word of it.
This.
"however is not acceptable to me. I am an inappropriate, sexist, vulgar and embarrassing person and I’m not inclined to change my behaviour. If this is a problem, you need to find another job."

Interestingly, something like this was quoted in our media as a perfect example when you should file a complaint to the authorities. People got fined for less.

People who'd never been bullied don't know how degrading you feel and how much shit you need to swallow down just to feed your family. It's disgusting to me that some people go as far as that because they know (and they like to point it out) that they have the power of employment over you. Next thing you know, you get a bonus for "special services" and they are now basically paying you to prostitute your image in front of others as the boss is calling you "pičkica mala". I talked to a woman who had to go through this and it really makes you sick.
Post edited September 08, 2012 by Titanium
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orcishgamer: Not for your boss to demand the answers to, your SO, sure, but not your boss.
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jepsen1977: I don't know how it is in the States but in Denmark the law mandates that an employer cannot ask such questions if they aren't relevant for the job. So unless she was applying for the job of porn star, then she could simply say no to such a questionnaire - but from the sound of it then this retard wouldn't take no for an answer anyway.
Oh I agree, I was just being sarcastic. He's over the line. The sad fact is I suspect my own boss isn't much better in his treatment of women, both employees and clients.
Post edited September 08, 2012 by scampywiak
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Red_Avatar: She could easily resign and find a different job - others shouldn't have to bend over backwards to please her.
Recession, anyone? Finding a new job from 2008 to 2009 wasn't as easy as you make it sound. When it comes down to getting harassed or continuing to eat, it's an easy and horribly unpleasant choice.
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orcishgamer: Here's him practically groping this lady (the brunette I've been informed) and another employee http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/stardock-female-employee-sues-for-sexual-harassment-gets-sued-for-fucking-up-elemental.75826/#post-2255694
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Navagon: What's he doing that's so horribly inappropriate there?
There's a way to put your hand on a waist without groping the bottom of a women's tits, even if she has big tits and you have big hands. He's not doing that. If you don't know what he's doing wrong there, ask a woman if that's a-okay.
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Red_Avatar: She could easily resign and find a different job - others shouldn't have to bend over backwards to please her.
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PenutBrittle: Recession, anyone? Finding a new job from 2008 to 2009 wasn't as easy as you make it sound. When it comes down to getting harassed or continuing to eat, it's an easy and horribly unpleasant choice.
You are not obligated to find a new job just because your boss wants to be a fuck-wad. There is a minimum bar for employer/employee interaction in this country that, even as low as it is around these parts, he is not fucking meeting. "Find a new job if you don't like it," is the refrain of shortsighted people who don't realize that every fucking new job would be the same shit as the old if the bar were lowered.
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Red_Avatar: He didn't - that was Kotaku being a typical tabloid website. He sent her the list and asked for her score. Read carefully.
Dude, hairsplitting much? I'm well aware of what he did, it's sexual harassment, Kotaku simply illustrated the kinds of questions that will rate your "purity" on said quiz, I believe they simply copied the questions from the legal complaint.

I don't know why so many want to dismiss actual halfway decent reporting just because it's Kotaku, they actually did a good job on this one, it's rather silly to knock them when they actually manage to do a good job.
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Red_Avatar: Heck, jokes about breasts and nipples - that's every day fare at the jobs I've been and the women usually join in.
The point is it's their choice if they want to "join in", if they say they don't want to, it ends there when you're around them. Moan about corporate culture all you want, but you can have a pleasant work atmosphere without it being a frat house.
Post edited September 08, 2012 by orcishgamer
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orcishgamer: There's a way to put your hand on a waist without groping the bottom of a women's tits, even if she has big tits and you have big hands. He's not doing that. If you don't know what he's doing wrong there, ask a woman if that's a-okay.
I think you're looking at that photo in ways that you wouldn't be if it wasn't Brad Wardell, self proclaimed sleazebag.

I'm not at all interested in defending the guy as I don't consider him defensible. But, if it wasn't him, I don't think that anyone would be looking at that photo and seeing anything wrong.
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Red_Avatar: Again, read all that carefully - it doesn't give many specific examples and keeps it very general. I can write such things about almost everyone I worked with. Heck, jokes about breasts and nipples - that's every day fare at the jobs I've been and the women usually join in. They're just body parts, seriously. Also, Youtube vids are not "sexually explicit", that list was just a list with a score, big deal. Even my father sent me one of those through Facebook before. And visiting a hotel room from your staff? *gasp* burn him on the stake! *rolls eyes*

Like I said, yes he's a dick head, but all those examples don't seem to warrant a 25.000$ lawsuit to me. She was being a bitch in her mail to him and he retaliated - that's the way I see it. She then left and sued him. Was she 25.000$ worth of mentally scarred? Oh PLEASE. People just need to grow a thicker skin - we're creating a generation of weak minded bitchy people who love to point the finger and complain. She should have stood up much earlier instead of waiting 2-3 years. If you condone it for that long, you send the message that you don't mind.
You sound like a major liability for a sexual harassment lawsuit. Maybe the laws aren't as strict on your side of the pond, but sexual harassment is considered a pretty serious issue when it occurs in the US. Now, as I said before, there's plenty of borderline behavior that either may or may not be sexual harassment depending on how the people in the workplace feel about it. If everyone is fine with it then there's no issue. However, if someone says "this makes me uncomfortable, please stop" then it needs to stop around them, otherwise it's most assuredly sexual harassment. It doesn't matter if plenty of other people are fine with the behavior, it doesn't matter how long it's been tolerated up to that point, it still needs to stop.

Also, the amount of the damages is to serve two purposes- first to compensate the person for the hassle (and possible lost salary) of having to find another job (as sexual harassment suits are almost invariably accompanied by the person leaving the job, either voluntarily or being dismissed), and second to provide a strong disincentive for companies to turn a blind eye to employees engaging in harassing behavior. And in the context of typical sexual harassment suits $25,000 is actually on the low end, especially when the case involves senior management at a company.
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orcishgamer: There's a way to put your hand on a waist without groping the bottom of a women's tits, even if she has big tits and you have big hands. He's not doing that. If you don't know what he's doing wrong there, ask a woman if that's a-okay.
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Navagon: I think you're looking at that photo in ways that you wouldn't be if it wasn't Brad Wardell, self proclaimed sleazebag.

I'm not at all interested in defending the guy as I don't consider him defensible. But, if it wasn't him, I don't think that anyone would be looking at that photo and seeing anything wrong.
1) I'd seriously wonder about anyone doing that in a photo
2) I'd wonder even more if I knew the dude was those gals' boss
3) In context Brad is accused and has confessed to several other instances of sexual harassment and clearly has boundary issues, so looking at the photo in context is actually an appropriate way to look at it.

Summary: Brad is a douche, the photo is merely a bullet point on the very long list of why he's a douche.
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DarrkPhoenix: And in the context of typical sexual harassment suits $25,000 is actually on the low end, especially when the case involves senior management at a company.
Actually that amount is excruciatingly kind, most awards are over 1 million USD, even when it's not the company owner of a fairly wealthy company.
Post edited September 08, 2012 by orcishgamer
The Stardock countersuit claiming she cost them $1 million for deleting the entire Elemental marketing plan also makes absolutely no sense.

-They didn't have anything backed up anywhere? No contingency plan?
-When this supposedly happened, they pulled developers off of bug fixing to work on a marketing plan? Who would assume that software devs can just jump right in to marketing?
-Their public admissions at the time that they had failed to develop a good game would seem to cancel out their own lawsuit, since it alleges that she was responsible for the state of the game by 'forcing' them to use developers to replace her deleted work.

It really does look like a case of "I'll drop my lawsuit if you drop yours."
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orcishgamer: ...
But that's exactly it. You're looking at the bigger picture and seeing his conduct for being as wrong as it really is (that is assuming there's nothing a lot worse than this which we don't know about). All I'm saying is that the photo is not something I'd have read the slightest thing into without knowing the context.

There's enough to despise him for without reading too much into every detail.
Post edited September 08, 2012 by Navagon