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Posted March 09, 2010
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cogadh: Your point is completely clear, you don't want to run the client. What I don't understand is why.

Why does it matter? All that matters is that I do not want to run it.
Posted March 09, 2010
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cogadh: Your point is completely clear, you don't want to run the client. What I don't understand is why.
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melchiz: Why does it matter? All that matters is that I do not want to run it.

It matters because of why I started this whole thing; I want to understand why people seem to hate Steam. Without a reason to explain the obviously strong apprehension over using it, it is just an irrational reaction to the "big bad Steam" to me.
Posted March 09, 2010
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cogadh: It matters because of why I started this whole thing; I want to understand why people seem to hate Steam. Without a reason to explain the obviously strong apprehension over using it, it is just an irrational reaction to the "big bad Steam" to me.

If you must probe, I happen to have a strong aversion to mandatory clients, especially if those clients require that I run them in order to use software.
Is that sufficient? It is little more than personal taste and a healthy dose of distrust.
Posted March 09, 2010
Well, you've already said as much before, but that really doesn't explain what is so very wrong about running an external client or why you distrust it so much. I don't mean to be focusing on you in particular on this, but you're really the only one making any effort to discuss it rationally for once. Usually any talk of Steam devolves into pointless fanboy rants which really don't answer the question.
Posted March 09, 2010
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Gersen: AA, like all the others GFWL games I own, only require you to create an offline GFWL account to play... you don't need to activate the game online or anything, heck I installed, played and finished the game on a computer that isn't even connected to the Net.

This is true and one of the reasons I struggle to understand the hatred about GFWL. Personally it's never bothered me and was actually a benefit in AA and SFIV. However if you want nothing to do with it you create an offline profile for that game and thats it, never have to hear from it again.
Posted March 09, 2010
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Delixe: if you want nothing to do with it you create an offline profile for that game and thats it, never have to hear from it again.

To clarify, offline profiles aren't game-specific; after making one GFWL will automatically keep you logged you in to that profile (unless you uninstall the client) and it will be automatically available to all other GFWL titles until your next upgrade/reformat.
Posted March 09, 2010
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cogadh: Well, you've already said as much before, but that really doesn't explain what is so very wrong about running an external client or why you distrust it so much. I don't mean to be focusing on you in particular on this, but you're really the only one making any effort to discuss it rationally for once. Usually any talk of Steam devolves into pointless fanboy rants which really don't answer the question.

I just don't like unnecessary clients running in the background. The Steam client should not be required in order to play games. I consider it wasteful and dishonest for Valve to force me to run a program simply to play games. I appreciate the conveniences of Steam but I want the freedom to not run Steam if I choose not to run it.
To me, that is a simple, reasonable request.
Posted March 09, 2010
I suppose this is just a case of "to each his own" then. For me, I look at it as what's the big deal, its just one more app running. It doesn't use that many resources, it doesn't do anything harmful to my system, it has some great benefits, so where's the harm?
Posted March 09, 2010
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cogadh: I suppose this is just a case of "to each his own" then. For me, I look at it as what's the big deal, its just one more app running. It doesn't use that many resources, it doesn't do anything harmful to my system, it has some great benefits, so where's the harm?

Principle, my friend. I do no like software companies telling me that additional junk is necessary, when I know that it is not necessary. I should be free to judge that for myself.
Posted March 09, 2010
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cogadh: I suppose this is just a case of "to each his own" then. For me, I look at it as what's the big deal, its just one more app running. It doesn't use that many resources, it doesn't do anything harmful to my system, it has some great benefits, so where's the harm?
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melchiz: Principle, my friend. I do no like software companies telling me that additional junk is necessary, when I know that it is not necessary. I should be free to judge that for myself.

Would you rather them take the Ubisoft route? People will always try to get things for free, so protecting the games with a proprietary software system adds at least a small layer of security. People feel safer with older games, so they're much more willing to shove those DRM-free on here, but selling newer games without protection is just crazy. Steam is the least intrusive, because it is convenient.
Posted March 09, 2010
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TheCheese33: Would you rather them take the Ubisoft route? People will always try to get things for free, so protecting the games with a proprietary software system adds at least a small layer of security. People feel safer with older games, so they're much more willing to shove those DRM-free on here, but selling newer games without protection is just crazy. Steam is the least intrusive, because it is convenient.

Hell no. Also, GOO is far less intrusive than Steam.
Posted March 10, 2010
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melchiz: Hell no. Also, GOO is far less intrusive than Steam.

And a disc check is far less intrusive than GOO. It's swings and roundabouts. You don't like Steam others don't like GOO but at the end of the day every game needs the illusion of protection just to please publishers. There really is no point screaming in hatred at a form of DRM when it is one of the least intrusive methods and the alternative could be an awful lot worse.
Posted March 10, 2010
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melchiz: Hell no. Also, GOO is far less intrusive than Steam.
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Delixe: And a disc check is far less intrusive than GOO. It's swings and roundabouts. You don't like Steam others don't like GOO but at the end of the day every game needs the illusion of protection just to please publishers. There really is no point screaming in hatred at a form of DRM when it is one of the least intrusive methods and the alternative could be an awful lot worse.

I for one hate disc checks.
Just feel the need to share. :p
Posted March 10, 2010
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Gundato: I for one hate disc checks.
Just feel the need to share. :p

i second that motion.
Also, trusting your customers is stupid.
Posted March 10, 2010
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Gundato: I for one hate disc checks.
Just feel the need to share. :p

Likewise. I especially dislike swapping discs (oh, feel like playing something else? okay, just manhandle those CDs a bit more).
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