So lets talk a bit about the restricted roles...
Originally, they were just going to be a more creative way of saying "Vanilla". The problem with balancing such a big game is that it favors town just from the number of days and the information one can glean. Any role gets magnified under this situation as well, so to balance it, town deserves very few roles. That's when I happened to catch Shallow Hal on TV again, and had the idea, what if these restricted roles could be released? They I'm still limiting town information a lot, but everyone has hope still (once they figure it out)

As I said, I thought with the sample PM and scum having a role which roleblocks for the rest of the game, scum would catch on. But unfortunately a new player got the role, didn't think it was that special and didn't share his PM with his scum buddies day 0.

This was intended to prevent the whole town confirmation routine, and even if scum didn't figure it out right away, I was hoping they either blended in and nodded and pretended to understand, or pick up on it quickly. But hey, intentions often fail...
I tried to do a few different things with this game, and really thought the setup generally worked with all the crazy stuff I put into it. I still think it was fairly balanced but knew it was inherently "teetering". I was worried that if one side or the other had luck go their way, it could snowball to a quick victory, but that is also a feature of bigger games usually. A lucky investigation or lucky night kill can swing things a lot.

I actually thought up to the last day of day 1 that the scum were going to win easily. I thought they would catch McHack's slip about having a different PM. Thought they would notice when HijacK responded to McHack's no night action claim by saying, he was clever and implying he got it because he was like him, and then later role claiming his role. If scum picks up on that, they know both Gurus day 1!

And for the record, the gurus were immune to the "Intimidator" as they were too self-confident (the Intimidator was warned some players are immune).

And here's a link to threads as well...
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/HZUqG38REcyR
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/xfnTj67dPYv
I'll share character PM's and such tomorrow. Gotta do a couple things tonight yet and maybe get another hour into Van Helsing...

Is GOG bugged again?

Nah... Probably me overthinking matters more than hasty, honestly; I tend to do that.

Regardless, GG Town.

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That makes 4 out of the last 5 games I have been scum. And the one game I was town I was killed Night 1 (but brought back to life for another Day as a zombie) :P. Next game I play, regardless of alignment, I think I am going to try to lurk; probably be less stressful.
Probably. I can't tell anymore.

Oh well. I didn't really expect RWarehall to let me have that one, though I think at the very least it should be awarded a draw... :P

I can't get into my PMs from my phone to see what exactly he had to say about it yet...

Scum had no chance of winning after Day 1. Only Blue wasn't among everyone's top scum picks and I doubt he could have kept that up for long even if RL hadn't interfered. If we'd realised sooner about the restriction thing it would have helped, but not enough I think to really give us a chance. yogs made a pretty perfect play given the circumstances, and the dumb luck of CSPVG going out day 1 sealed the deal for us.

Plus, what the hell is up with the random selection? How the hell did me, Krypsyn and CSPVG manage to all be scum again?
Surely the odds of that happening are quiet slim...

Hmm, my bad indeed. RWarehall did forbid me stealing post lynch claims in the mafia thread but I had completely forgotten that...

Oh well, I really couldn't see a way of winning after that, certainly not after trent outed me...

The misspelling was the very first thing I noticed and I was prepared to act upon it :)

@RW, was Sage's disability a delayed vig kill?


Anyway, even though the game's final was a bit anti-climactic I liked the whole setup quite a bit.

That gave me information about HSL being Town :) I was even about to let him know I spotted his hint (regardless of whether or not it was intended), but decided against it to keep him safe.

I have a question for you. When you were about to get lynched you cast a vote on me. I figured it was some sort of signal to you scumbuddies maybe but living through the night somewhat negates that. What was that about?



All in all, the game was fun and could have been even more fun if everyone was as involved as the rest. I know RL could be a bitch, even I struggle to spare time sometimes, but if you are not able to play normally it's probably a good idea to sit one out :)

Good game to all players, thanks RW for hosting!

Bump so I can see new posts.

Hm, not the best conclusion to the game, but it was still a fun one.

@mchack: Why did you choose to unrestrict me on Day 3?

I just saw this :D Don't know the PM that goes with it but the role name itself is both hilarious and mean at the same time.

Wow. I know they were restricted, but that's a hell of a tally of town roles...

I was kind of expecting some vanillas... (you know, actual ones) it's no wonder everyone saw what yogs was doing straight away...

But my role was clearly the most broken (the one shot thing was not mentioned in my PM and if I had not forgotten about the no stealing claims post lynch being achieved I would fight you over that) particularly in light of there being neutrals in the game...

If I'd realised cristi was a neutral too I might have waited and tried to get her to make my claim for me, but I didn't expect any neutrals with four scum, never mind two...

I think it was a fun idea, but some what flawed, as is unfortunately the case with some of the better game twists. Similarly to Lift's game (the last time we were all scum...) the nature of the town roles and the fact that scum's roles didn't fit with this made it very difficult to fit in. Even if we had properly realised about the restrictor I doubt we could have successfully bluffed.

Here you are:

Thank you for hosting RWarehall!!


And look at that.....flubbucket was totally town again

What was the nature of your restriction? Try to do it and always fail?
That should be spelled as MacGyver. By the way I never knew his first name and didn't make the connection at all :D

I like when I win. :X

I was remorseful for a past poor kill long long ago and until I was lifted I could only peep into Windows

Haha double post edit


I was laying low to be able to use my vig when the time came