Woo! Cases 4 and 5 activated!! :D
I'm guessing that also identified me as vanilla for you?

Well done on suckering me, btw. My best clue that you weren't town was Trent riding you about it. It reminded me of the ghost game, where Trent remarked that RW was so town it made his [Trent's] teeth hurt.
Oh hush. Just because I'm the last one to the idea party doesn't mean I can't live in my delusion of being clever.

Well the last cult game I was useless as the alarmist because it came out Day 1 and I didn’t want to repeat that mistake again. You played an awesome game as well, but for me something just felt a little off with your game this time and thankfully it wasn’t just my imagination LOL.

Originally I was forced to consider you were legit, flub actually distracted me and ultimately attracted the recruitment.

I actaully don't think I'm that good at it and I don't really like playing as scum that much - I feel quite bad about it especially when I manage to get others trust my bullshiterry.

Also I got somewhat annoyed because you got onto me mostly for the wrong reasons on D1 :D Basically nothing of what you said was what I was trying to do, but hunches and gut feelings have their own merit.


All in all, barring the flip thing I think the game was quite entertaining. Thanks mods!

@Flub, sorry I stripped you of the victory :)

Wanted to give you props, you did an excellent job subbing in for Sage! Really look forward to playing more games with you :-D

Oh, regarding the bit on going out on my own terms, another fun fact: I've been playing with you guys for about 3 years now? Not sure, but I've been in some 15-20 games and this was my first lynch ever, so it only made sense for me to hammer it.

Yeah, seems like you've already figured everything out. Congrats to town and all that jazz.
Now to keep Sandford on track for another "Village of the Year" award.

Proper flavor will (eventually) follow. Feel free to disclose your PMs and quicktopic threads if you feel I take too long to do so.

Really? That means it might be your first scum loss ever, unless you've been vigged. Well done.

Also, my curiosity won't leave it alone: why did you have me pegged for first recruitment so early? Not complaining or anything, just really curious.

Yay! Go team! :-D Finally going by instinct paid out in a game for me. Not only once, but twice. I should ignore WIFOM more often!

@mchack: awesome play and nice way of taking over for Sage. I liked the endgame interactions between you, trent and me. And trent: usually I am against unnecessary claims, but in this case your claim has paid off well.

@dedo: sorry for killing your convert right after Night 1... nah, not sorry, actually. But well played! You looked quite towny, you just felt not so invested on Day 2 any more.

I've lost as scum a bunch of times - but it was usually in weird games where I got night-killed by rival scum or by the damn TOWN ARSONIST, or something else prevented me from winning. I just didn't get lynched as either alignement so far :)

I wanted to have a fun scum game and thought you'll be among the players with whom there is a higher chance of doing something interesting rather than just playing to win.

Heh, I was spot on about what you were doing with that, wasn't I?

But even if the CL flip wouldn't have been distinguishable, lynching you Today would end the game, wouldn't it? So, why give up?

Anyway, interested in hearing what other things were disappointing to you.

I tried to make it quite hard for the CL to recruit me, and thought, perhaps naively, that if it's you, I'd be like the last person you'd consider given the opinion you have about my scum game.


@Bookwyrm627 - "What happened since the end of Day 1 to make Flub change his mind like that?" was a good question to ask, but the direction you went with your thought process couldn't be more wrong.


The Town PRs did a great job going unnoticed D1. I sighed when I initially read trentonlf's post about the vote being his only power, on second read, his play felt a bid reserved, so didn't rule out he may be a PR. But Lifthrasil didn't give any indications at all. Thumbs up to both.

mchack proved to be a force to reckon, at least as town. I don't know what Bookwyrm627 thinks, but I think he did a swell job in the spat the them had (and made me chuckle a couple of times with the way he responded, so extra points for that), and he also did a pretty damn good job at reading people and piecing things together. Looking very very forward to playing with him again, should we both have the time.

All in all, good game everyone, and cheers to JMich for hosting; I admit I felt a bit uneasy with the setup, but it was fun playing with you all.

@JMich - why did you put both Town PRs into the setup, and still had the CL flip be clearly distinct? This is actually the only point dedoporno made that I got behind.

True. We do get some oddball games around here (which is something I enjoy).

Well, I can't read people for squat, but I certainly can make life interesting. :)

I'm glad you said it yourself; for the past couple of days, reading your posts made me be "if only you were as good at reading people as you are riling and fooling them".


EDIT: And I'm not referring to myself here.

Well, not that it matters, but, you know, for posterity:

Official Vote Count

Lifthrasil - 0 Votes

HypersomniacLive - 1 Votes (Bookwyrm627 459)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes (mchack 437/482)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

mchack - 0 Votes

dedoporno - 3 Votes (mchack 482; Lifthrasil 483; trentonlf 484; dedoporno 485)

No Lynch - 0 Votes

Not Currently Voting: HypersomniacLive

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dedoporno is Lynched!

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You'll have to remind me what "that" was.

Sure, but I was banking a lot on having flub as the CL which got shot downy. Before that happened I didn't plan to be among the lynches.

Well, I'm not a fan of flavor (which is my own problem to deal with) but I can't say I liked how the flavor of flub's lynch revealed information the actual flip didn't.

In addition to that I did not like your questions to the mods (without meaning any offense I usually consider such question made in public as cheapshots), 1 and 3 in specific, or to be more clear I didn't like the fact that you actually got answers to them (I strongly believe that everything that is not part of the official rules or cleared at the start of the game is left out for intended abiguity hence it shouldn't be made public later on), especially after I didn't when I asked the same thing at the start of the game.

I don't have a negative opinion of your scum game, it just happens that I managed to pick up on it a couple of times and it turned out to be true - that doesn't mean I didn't get there by accident and for the wrong reasons as I told Trent earlier. What I said in one of my posts here is quite true - if I were Town I wouldn't put it beyond you to pull off such a charade.

Yeah, I really don't know why anyone thought of underestimating him. I have played only a couple of games with him and I'm under the impression he can handle himself quite good despite how he tried to stamp himself as the opposite.

He was screwed by the mechanics at that point. We'd generally accepted that Trent and Lift were legit, so all we had to do was follow the cop. With Dedo as one of the top suspects among most people, we lynch one person (either him or whoever is the other top suspect) and Lift investigates the survivor. With Trent protecting Lift, Dedo couldn't do anything about the investigation, and once Dedo is dead we can just No Lynch while Lift roots out whoever got converted on N2. Game, set, match.

Dedo's only real choice was who he drags into a (technical) loss with him, and he didn't want to drag anyone else down when we'd basically already won.

Yeah, as Mchack pointed out, I was way off base with my conclusion after that starting point. I know Flub plays for the win, but I didn't take that far enough with his vote switch.

In post 382, his words can be read as from him being in the cult -> "I have no "scumbuddy" to talk to but there most likely is two of them and my lynch will make less of us."
He didn't have write access to the cult thread on the first night, there were two scum, and lynching flub reduces the number of scum.

Ugh. Back tracking posts some, I see Dedo already asked that question too ("why did you switch from HSL to Wyrm?"). I can stir the pot, but I'm terrible at this scum hunting thing. :-/

From my end, it felt like he labeled me the CL and then viewed everything through that lens. That might just be OMGUS though, since I'm the target of his hunt. I would enjoy playing with him again, though.

I think confirming the CL's death (or not) is a bone thrown to town, especially since town has no guarantee of having any PRs at all. I've been guessing that the PRs have a random chance of being included, though I haven't asked how JMich decided.

You won't get any disagreement from me on this point. In all the games I've played here, I think I still haven't managed to catch scum without following someone else onto the wagon.