That may well be. My main problem with the ending was that they seemed to lose confidence in their own narrative and effectively reversed the development seen in previous seasons. Walter White had become pretty damned evil by the start of the final season, yet they eventually still gave him a sort of heroic, redemptive ending by the deus ex machina of suddenly introducing other criminals in the last few episodes who were even worse.
iirc there's a movie in the works though about Jesse Pinkman after the end of Breaking Bad...I might eventually watch that.
The spinoff Better call Saul is supposed to be good, but I haven't made any effort to see it, given the time investment involved.
imo the ending wasn't bad enough for Walter White.

That's the whole "a criminal cannot be good in any way in media" thing again. Imo they HAD to make him evil after awhile so people who are uptight wouldn't whine that he was being shown too positively(as a man fukked by the system in general/having to resort to bad things to survive/etc).

I found Walter White's development quite compelling and logical actually...he was a man who felt he hadn't gotten what he deserved in life, stuck in a dead-end job as a highschool teacher, despite his superior talent and intelligence (iirc he also felt former colleagues had ripped him off over some invention). His terminal cancer diagnosis reinforced that feeling. iirc at one point in the later seasons he basically admitted that his main motivation had never been about providing for his family, but was totally selfish, to prove that he could have extraordinary success if he really wanted to...he was in the "empire business".
It was a cop out imo that they introduced those cartoonishly evil gangsters (kind of Nazi, have no problems with killing a child or total innocents like Jesse's girlfriend), just to make Walter White look good in comparison.

If I understand correctly lots of people feel that the character development in GoT is similarly incongrouus...with Daenerys suddenly turning crazy and evil, after having been a good character for most of the show.

It's all logical as it is written/shown right now, but as I said: Alot of his development was likely due to devs/show makers not wanting/being able to show criminals in a good light/having good intentions.

Imagine if Walter White HAD been doing it for his family and tried to be as moral as possible....you can bet some busybodies/moral groups would've raised their proverbial pitchforks over it & called for the show to be changed/cancelled.

Clarification/addition: In the US, we have(or possibly had) a law/set of moral codes for film/tv where one such rule was that all criminals had to be shown in a bad light/with little to no redeeming qualities & had to have a "bad" end to their enterprise/lives/etc. One also couldn't show their individual acts in a way that might be construed as "promoting" them. As such, many still follow this code to this day...if only to placate those who might take offense at criminals being portrayed as having morals/being good otherwise.

You mean the Hayes code for Hollywood movies?
Personally I'm fine with criminals coming to a bad end in movies and tv, I don't like crime being glorified.

Her going mad wasn't a bad character arc, but it was poorly handled so far as it basically coming out of thin air. But that just illustrates the piss poor writing the last two seasons. They don't know how to complete a character arc properly. Look at Jaime. He went from vile, incest guy to redemptive character who can maybe love someone else and than at the end it was just like, "nope, I'm super into incest actually."

I get the feeling that the show runners are terrible writers, but are good editors. When they had the books to work from they did a good job, once they only had a guideline it all went to hell.

We open with a shot of Jon Snow, staring at the burning remains of King's Landing. He realizes that everything is more or less gone to shit. His lover went mental, his sisters betrayed his trust, his brother is an onion. Mirroring the events of the last episode, this realization tips him over his breaking point. Without telling anyone (in fact there won't be a single line of dialog in the entire episode) he turns his back on the city and just leaves.

That is the last we see of King's Landing and the gang, because frankly, I can't even begin to save that plotline.

Instead we spend the entire episode with Jon north of the wall where he leads a very calm and mundane life. We follow as he builds a hut, goes to fish, silently sits by the fire alongside his old friend Tormund. In the performance of a lifetime we see Kit Harrington display reminiscence of and a longing for what was and what could have been - until he realizes he's been staring into the fire the whole time. Suddenly his face turns into a grimace as he faces the memory of the burning city once again.

Finally he understands. All his life he fought the wrong fight. He tried to fight for the living, yet the living are the most destructive force in Westeros. He has seen the consequences of human desire and he was powerless. The only choice to stand against the song of fire now was to be the song of ice.

The next morning he starts his last journey, far to the north, to finally claim his throne as the true heir of the king.

In a post-credit scene it is revealed that Jon Snow actually was wrestling legend Bret "The Hitman" Hart all along.

That's it I believe.

As for crime portrayal in media: I get where you're coming from, but sometimes I/others like to see something outside the trope/moral code. This is why many often have fun in GTA doing who knows what.

So would you then say that it's ALL OGRE for Westeros and Jon Snow? ;)

Nah, I don't do references.

Well yer no fun a'tall. :p ;)

This is the current season of Game of Thrones. The fun is long gone. :>

I've read that Daenery's character is much more ambiguous in the books, with hints of ultra-violent thoughts, so maybe her development would make more sense in the novels (if they end the same way as the series...that is if they ever get finished and Martin doesn't die before).

I guess it forgot to check itself before it SHREK'd itself. ;) o.0

That's second time someone has referenced Shrek... am I missing something in regards to Shrek being important right now?

It makes complete sense in the show, too. She wasn't a nice person there, either. The problem with the show isn't the character arcs, they're all fine. The timing is just horrendously off. She had many reasons to flip off the handle this season, but she didn't. The one moment things go actually right for her, she flips her shit.

Now you can actually make that work. You could argue that her entire journey of conquest is comming to an end and she realizes that she still is the conquering outsider and not the beloved breaker of chains. So she flips and makes good on her "if you can't rule with love, you rule with fear" thing. Problem is, the show never tries to communicate anything along those lines, so she basically just goes mad, because the show's almost over and we've buildt this elaborate set and people like dragons and the writers really want to put their "are we the baddies?" narrative in there. It's just bizarre.