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Posted May 17, 2010
Why? What's mediocre in one person's eyes may be good in another's. Two Worlds is a good example of that. Who decides what's a 'good' game and what isn't?
Posted May 17, 2010
Depending on your definition, you could say that six months is old. Consider the fast pace at which technology changes and improves.
I believe I posted this in an earlier thread; the definition that makes most sense for GOG would be something like... "old" = "old enough to be released DRM-free at $10 or less"
Posted May 17, 2010
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Coelocanth: Why? What's mediocre in one person's eyes may be good in another's. Two Worlds is a good example of that. Who decides what's a 'good' game and what isn't?

That's a weak argument because then you can just throw anything on GOG and use that excuse.
Movie buff 1: "Hey, let's have a good old movie marathon next week! I'll play all Uwe Boll movies in a row!"
Movie buff 2: "WTF? Uwe Boll movies are neither old OR good!"
Movie buff 1: "Ptssh, they are good in the eyes of some people"
Movie buff 2: *quietly* "Yeah in those of Uwe Boll probably"
But seriously, mathematically your argument is just plain wrong because when considered on the whole, a generally mediocre game may be a good game for a minority but the majority will still think "why did GOG add this mediocre game?". Plus, the "minority" changes for each game so if you like one game nearly everyone else finds mediocre, then the next game they add may appeal to someone else but not you, and it will be your turn to find it mediocre.
Plus, every review to such a mediocre game I've written, has received the most people agreeing than any other review for that game which really says a lot. The GOG rating is not to be trusted anyway - is there even a game with less than 3 stars regardless of how poor it is?
Posted May 17, 2010
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Coelocanth: Why? What's mediocre in one person's eyes may be good in another's. Two Worlds is a good example of that. Who decides what's a 'good' game and what isn't?
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Red_Avatar: is there even a game with less than 3 stars regardless of how poor it is?

Simon the Sorcerer 3D, though one could argue it's not actually a game.
Posted May 17, 2010
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Red_Avatar: a generally mediocre game may be a good game for a minority but the majority will still think "why did GOG add this mediocre game?".

A minority... Hmm... Could anyone please explain me the meaning of "This week's bestsellers" on the frontpage? Two Worlds is ranking on 4 behind three shooters from the weekendpromo. My english is not the best so maybe I'm misunderstanding "bestseller" a little bit. Or am I changing "minority" (a few) and "majority" (most)?
I'm confused ;-)
Two Worlds is a game I wanted to buy some months ago. But I read some bad reviews because the DRM and decided not to buy it. Now it is released on GOG without any DRM. Call me a minority as well, but I'm happy with this.
Posted May 17, 2010
I will be purchasing Two Worlds just as soon as I have time to DL it. No game is too new or too bad IMHO. I welcome all releases regardless of either. Make them available DRM free and at a good price. I feel confident that I can make a decision to buy or not buy a game. Not releasing the borderline games takes away the option. Keep em coming GOG.
Posted May 17, 2010
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HyperKraenk: Hi everyone.
I saw that Two Worlds was added to gog.com and I wonder... is this game really that "old"?
In my opinion games should be at least 5 years old or maybe even more like 6-8 years. What do you think, when is a game "old enough" to be part of GOG?

Price is a bit justifier in this case. IMO, The GoG price is a lot closer to what the game is worth than what you'd pay for it on Steam.
Posted May 17, 2010
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real.geizterfahr: A minority... Hmm... Could anyone please explain me the meaning of "This week's bestsellers" on the frontpage? Two Worlds is ranking on 4 behind three shooters from the weekendpromo. My english is not the best so maybe I'm misunderstanding "bestseller" a little bit. Or am I changing "minority" (a few) and "majority" (most)?
its a bit meaningless as there are only 1-2 games released per week. I`d guess that sales of titles flatten with time, so naturally the biggest sellers are games new to the store or those that have their price reduced.
All-time sales would be a more realistic measure of popularity. But anyway, even if I wouldnt touch "Two Worlds" I`m happy for any title gog has to offer.
Posted May 17, 2010
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bansama: It's topics like this that make me wonder if people have even heard of the phrase "The good old days". If they had, then perhaps they'd actually have a better understanding of the site name...

Of course we've heard the phrase. It refers to a forgettable week in late 2007.
Post edited May 17, 2010 by einexile
Posted May 17, 2010
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KavazovAngel: But... But... But VTMB was awesome! :(

That it was. It was also a buggy mess, and many people can't tolerate that no matter how awesome a game happens to be.
As for the definition of 'old'... Well, in PC land, six months would be 'old'. =P
There are some brilliant gems here on GOG, definitely the under rated games that didn't rake in enough money. Had I not hunted down Fallout and Fallout 2 many years ago after it disappeared off shelves, they would've been one of my first purchases.
Posted May 17, 2010
Five human years is like 40 computer years.
It is old enough when it can be sold without DRM for GOG's low prices. How old this is depends on the game. Games that have been unavailable for a while are preferable, not counting e-bay and the like of course.
It is good enough if some people will love it. As in, not a terrible game. Some games never were intended for everyone. Games that more people like are preferable.
I don't see the need for hard limits that don't really do anything except create red tape, especially since GOG cannot get any game they want. Sometimes they'll have to make due, and sometimes a game's situation will make it ideal for GOG sooner than most.
One thing I've noticed is some tendency for the concept of 'old' to get stuck. People judging old by a set date, like when they were young, instead of a consistent amount of time from today. This'll only get worse as those who grew up with video games continue to age.
Posted May 17, 2010
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Npl: its a bit meaningless as there are only 1-2 games released per week. I`d guess that sales of titles flatten with time, so naturally the biggest sellers are games new to the store or those that have their price reduced.

Sure, the bestsellers are not really meaningful. But I have never seen Master of Orion 3 on the bestsellers. I'm not sure about Empire Earth 3, but I think it wasn't on the bestseller-list as well. So it needs at least some buyers to get there and not every new title has a guaranteed ranking in this list!
I just wanted to show that there is enough "minority" to get a ranking in this week's bestsellers compared to MoO3 and EE3 (which both are real crappy games in my eyes).
Posted May 17, 2010
GOG (n) IPA: /gɒg/
An electronic game deemed old enough by the responsible publisher to submit to the company Good Old Games for cheap worldwide DRM-free distribution, and deemed good enough by Good Old Games to include in their catalogue.
Usage example: "Fallout is definitely a GOG".
Post edited May 17, 2010 by Miaghstir
Posted May 17, 2010
In my opinion they can add to their catalogue whatever game they like as long as it's DRM-free and costs a maximum of 9.99 Dollars!
I mean... nobody HAS TO buy it and everyone has to decide on his own if the game is "old" or "good" enough for him. Sure, i too prefer to see real classics to be released (Discworld 2 anyone? ;)), but hey, why not publish some newer games too? Nobody gets hurt by that! :)
Post edited May 17, 2010 by Grombart
Posted May 17, 2010
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Red_Avatar: That's a weak argument because then you can just throw anything on GOG and use that excuse.
Movie buff 1: "Hey, let's have a good old movie marathon next week! I'll play all Uwe Boll movies in a row!"
Movie buff 2: "WTF? Uwe Boll movies are neither old OR good!"
Movie buff 1: "Ptssh, they are good in the eyes of some people"
Movie buff 2: *quietly* "Yeah in those of Uwe Boll probably"
But seriously, mathematically your argument is just plain wrong because when considered on the whole, a generally mediocre game may be a good game for a minority but the majority will still think "why did GOG add this mediocre game?". Plus, the "minority" changes for each game so if you like one game nearly everyone else finds mediocre, then the next game they add may appeal to someone else but not you, and it will be your turn to find it mediocre.
Plus, every review to such a mediocre game I've written, has received the most people agreeing than any other review for that game which really says a lot. The GOG rating is not to be trusted anyway - is there even a game with less than 3 stars regardless of how poor it is?

So what are you saying? Just because many of the people that bother to post agree with your reviews that your opinion is right?
I fail to see how something as subjective as 'good' or even 'old', for that matter can be defined in such a way as to say "This game belongs here, but that one doesn't".
Weak argument? Hardly, when the terms themselves are completely subjective. But if you really want to go for a firmer definition of what is 'old', put it in context. As others have mentioned, in terms of software, 6 months is often considered old. 2 years is ancient.
'Good' is still too subjective, IMO, to quantify. Again, look at some of the people saying Two Worlds is a good, even great, game. While you have others saying how bad it is - some of them having not even played it. And that's part of the problem. Games are often argued to be good or bad due to repetition of what people have read or heard elsewhere and not because people have actually played them.
Again, who decides if a game is good? You? Me? Majority vote?
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