ktchong: People should NOT be supporting BioWare. Nowadays BioWare games are actually "hooks" to entice fans to install/use Origin and pay for DLCs at full prices. This is BioWare's business model: you pay the full price for the main game, or maybe you pay $7, 10 or $12 for it when it's on sale. However, you would have to pay another $80 to $120 for all the story DLCs to get the "full/complete experience" of the game. (BioWare DLCs are NEVER discounted, even years and years after they came out.)

Moreover, BioWare no longer releases "Game of the Year", "Complete" or "Gold/Platinum" edition of their games that would include all DLCs and expansions. BioWare wants people to pay for the DLCs, individually, at full prices.

Then there is the "BioWare points" scam. You cannot directly pay for BioWare DLCS with a currency, (i.e., dollar, euro, whatever.) You'd have to buy "BioWare points", and then use those points to pay for DLCs. BioWare points are packaged in incrementals to make customers always pay more than they actually need.

An example: let say you want a couple of Mass Effect 2 or 3 DLCs, which should cost 650 BioWare points (about $5 to $7). However, BioWare does not sell 650 points; but they sell 800 points for $10. So you end up paying more ($10) when the stuff you want would actually cost $5 to $7. You have 50 points leftover, which can only be used to buy BioWare stuff - except the 50 points are not enough to buy anything. So BioWare can sell you more points. BioWare points are calculated, structured and packaged in ways to always make people pay more than necessary. That is the soft scam BioWare is running.

I do not agree with their business model, so I'd pass this game...and all future BioWare games. It's a pity, but I have too many games in my Steam and GOG libraries with which I can't keep up, so I won't miss them. I just wish people would STOP supporting BioWare's business model - and show that decision to BioWare with their wallets.

ktchong: People should NOT be supporting BioWare. Nowadays BioWare games are actually "hooks" to entice fans to install/use Origin and pay for DLCs at full prices. This is BioWare's business model: you pay the full price for the main game, or maybe you pay $7, 10 or $12 for it when it's on sale. However, you would have to pay another $80 to $120 for all the story DLCs to get the "full/complete experience" of the game. (BioWare DLCs are NEVER discounted, even years and years after they came out.)

Moreover, BioWare no longer releases "Game of the Year", "Complete" or "Gold/Platinum" edition of their games that would include all DLCs and expansions. BioWare wants people to pay for the DLCs, individually, at full prices.

Then there is the "BioWare points" scam. You cannot directly pay for BioWare DLCS with a currency, (i.e., dollar, euro, whatever.) You'd have to buy "BioWare points", and then use those points to pay for DLCs. BioWare points are packaged in incrementals to make customers always pay more than they actually need.

An example: let say you want a couple of Mass Effect 2 or 3 DLCs, which should cost 650 BioWare points (about $5 to $7). However, BioWare does not sell 650 points; but they sell 800 points for $10. So you end up paying more ($10) when the stuff you want would actually cost $5 to $7. You have 50 points leftover, which can only be used to buy BioWare stuff - except the 50 points are not enough to buy anything. So BioWare can sell you more points. BioWare points are calculated, structured and packaged in ways to always make people pay more than necessary. That is the soft scam BioWare is running.

I do not agree with their business model, so I'd pass this game...and all future BioWare games. It's a pity, but I have too many games in my Steam and GOG libraries with which I can't keep up, so I won't miss them. I just wish people would STOP supporting BioWare's business model - and show that decision to BioWare with their wallets.

Punished_Snake: Yes, I agree with you. I own Mass Effect Trilogy and both Dragon Age games (the first in complete edition), but I never managed to grab one DLC,just because they are too expansive and they NEVER get a discount.

Probably they will replicate this thing with Dragon Age 3, offering a bonus character if you pre-order the game and tons of DLC.

Also, they planned a Mass Effect Trilogy for next gen consolle, so I'm curious if they will include all DLC or, probably, they are aiming for selling all those DLC, again, on PSN and Live.

liquidsnakehpks: btw are we going to get a closure for dragon age 2 or its just abandoned ?

ROD2k: The company that gave you BGII doesn't exist anymore. I'm wary of anything coming out of Bioware/EA these days.

Punished_Snake: Yes, I agree with you. I own Mass Effect Trilogy and both Dragon Age games (the first in complete edition), but I never managed to grab one DLC,just because they are too expansive and they NEVER get a discount.

Probably they will replicate this thing with Dragon Age 3, offering a bonus character if you pre-order the game and tons of DLC.

Also, they planned a Mass Effect Trilogy for next gen consolle, so I'm curious if they will include all DLC or, probably, they are aiming for selling all those DLC, again, on PSN and Live.

javier0889: Is Origin as toxic as they make it to be? If it's just like Steam I woudln't mind getting DAO: Ultimate Edition from them, but if it's just malware, then I guess I'm not buying that. Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?

javier0889: If it's just like Steam I woudln't mind getting DAO: Ultimate Edition from them, but if it's just malware, then I guess I'm not buying that. Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?

javier0889: I see. I'm ok with online activation for DLCs, as long as there aren't arbitrary limits or stuff like that, like in Mass Effect.

Lemon_Curry: Which arbitrary limits are you thinking of?

javier0889: Like when you had like 5 activations, which were registered to your computer, but if you changed any piece of hardware it wasted another activation, because the system thought it was "another" computer. Sutff like that.

javier0889: snip...DAO: Ultimate Edition...snip... Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?