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Tantrix: Yeah, I hope Chaos Theory gets over here a GOG clean and DRM free. June seems to be the next Ubisoft month here, huh?

I admire your optimism, trust me if Ubisoft comes back on GOG in the next months I call shenanigans and officially consider them to be complete wackos/loonies/jackasses (I've high standards for my "official" stances. Bear with me).
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stonebro: While there might be a gain in thwarting piracy, at least temporarily, there is an even greater gain in killing the second-hand market.

I never thought the second-hand market would be so important as to force game companies to deploy very restrictive DRM measures to counter it.
Ironically enough it's in these times of most restrictive protection schemes that reselling your game would come in handy.
I personaly never resold any of my games... for some of the new titles I would have considered it after all.
PS: Didn't Ubisoft make an official statement somewhere their new DRM was specifically targeted at fighting Piracy? Ubi is naive after all...
Post edited May 02, 2010 by pops117
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stonebro: When it comes to keeping vital game code server-side I believe that would be a ... touchy legal area to say the least. As I recall there are commerce laws in place that are meant to hinder just that sort of thing, as it essentially means you do not get the full product at the full price you're paying for it.

I can see the technical distinction, but legally, it shouldn't be any different from keeping vital game data server side (as is the case now). Whether it's code or data, it's still an essential part of the game, without which the game cannot be played.
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pops117: I admire your optimism, trust me if Ubisoft comes back on GOG in the next months I call shenanigans and officially consider them to be complete wackos/loonies/jackasses (I've high standards for my "official" stances. Bear with me).

They could even be said perhaps, to be full of flapdoodle? ;-)
Post edited May 02, 2010 by Wishbone
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Tantrix: Yeah, I hope Chaos Theory gets over here a GOG clean and DRM free. June seems to be the next Ubisoft month here, huh?
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pops117: I admire your optimism, trust me if Ubisoft comes back on GOG in the next months I call shenanigans and officially consider them to be complete wackos/loonies/jackasses (I've high standards for my "official" stances. Bear with me).

They already are. Look at that:
http://www.amazon.de/Prince-of-Persia-Special-Edition/dp/B003BIG94Y/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1272832196&sr=1-14
Just look at that. This will be released on 10th May. A rerelease of PoP.SoT+WW, supposed to be working on newer plattforms.
It has no DRM. I mean, just wtf? Do they want to throw these games to the pirates or do I understand Ubisoft's logic?
They even didn't add The Two Thrones because it still has Star Force protection.
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Wishbone: They could even be said perhaps, to be full of flapdoodle? ;-)

Oh, jeez forgot that one.
Oh look what Ubi execs are playing all day long! (Pirate Luigi gets blown to pieces at each turn it seems)
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Tantrix: They already are. Look at that:
http://www.amazon.de/Prince-of-Persia-Special-Edition/dp/B003BIG94Y/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1272832196&sr=1-14
Just look at that. This will be released on 10th May. A rerelease of PoP.SoT+WW, supposed to be working on newer plattforms.
It has no DRM. I mean, just wtf? Do they want to throw these games to the pirates or do I understand Ubisoft's logic?
They even didn't add The Two Thrones because it still has Star Force protection.

*insert epic Picard Facepalm here*
HAHA Warrior Within as "Bonus". I hope you enjoy your 5 GB bonus :P
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pops117: HAHA Warrior Within as "Bonus". I hope you enjoy your 5 GB bonus :P

Hey, lad, bonus are supposed to be ,like, BIG!
Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance had 7 GB bonus!

GoG should look at their size! I wouldn't mind more GBs of useless bonus
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DarrkPhoenix: I have to wonder if this is really the case. Despite all the noise some companies have made about game resales, just how big is the second-hand market for PC games? I'm well aware that there's a fairly large second-hand market for console games (which companies like Gamestop are really capitalizing on), but I haven't really noticed the second-hand PC games market being particularly large (although maybe I just haven't been looking in the right places, in which case someone please correct me). Thus I can't really see an attack on second-hand sales being a rational reason for some of the PC DRM schemes being used.

Well, not anymore. Companies have been trying to kill the second-hand market for the PC for a long time. For example, they managed to get the resale of any unique key prohibited, basically tying the game to you and you only as long as it came with a CD key. Hence shops like Gamestop cannot resell PC games at all, and the second-hand market for PC has long been based on private reselling. With the introduction of tying your game to a unique online account shared between several titles though, even that small opportunity has vanished.
These restrictions do not apply to consoles.
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pops117: Thanks for consoling me... still Chaos Theory was riddled with the Starforce disease but was totally awesome (original aswell!)
Ubi needs its higher-ups purged... or at least brainwashed.
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Tantrix: Yeah, I hope Chaos Theory gets over here a GOG clean and DRM free. June seems to be the next Ubisoft month here, huh?

Chaos Theory is on Steam without Starforce.
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Faithful: It appears though that some Independent Publishers use DRM as well (e.g. Spiderweb Software), so one must be careful.

I'm sorry, but come on....
SpiderwebSoftware release massive, huge demos that are unlocked by a code as close to instantly as Jeff can get to his computer once you've paid, which you can get redone whenever you need it. If you order the game on CD, it comes with no DRM whatsoever. The CD version is free, bar shipping ($4 international).
Have a go at the big guys, but describing Spiderweb Software - or any shareware developer - as having DRM that one should be careful about is a baseless shot which will hurt their reputation on internet fora like this.
Post edited May 02, 2010 by dougaiton
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stonebro: These restrictions do not apply to consoles.

Weren't there a PS3 game with activation limits or something? And caused an uproar among the userbase? The times of reselling used console games might also come to an end...
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Tantrix: GoG should look at their size! I wouldn't mind more GBs of useless bonus

Well, I wouldn't exactly mind a whole game as Bonus too.
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Tantrix: Yeah, I hope Chaos Theory gets over here a GOG clean and DRM free. June seems to be the next Ubisoft month here, huh?
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michaelleung: Chaos Theory is on Steam without Starforce.

Oh really?OH well, I suppose the GOG is closer than we think ;)
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michaelleung: Chaos Theory is on Steam without Starforce.

Maybe, but it's with Steam ;-p
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Al1: I am going to make a bold call here and say that it is a troll. Why? Largely a gut feeling, but the whole thing just seems a little bit unreal: the language used seems off to me (who tries to make a serious point and uses words like douchebag, south park excepted); and it reads like a laundry list of your worst fears about ubi (oooohh they are really evil, why i'm sure I saw a ubi exec carrying a white cat and stroking it furiously not too long ago, irrefutable proof of their diabolical evilness.)

I totally agree. His/her one prediction on what the DRM system will be this summer either already exists or is the obvious next step (depending on how what is said is interpreted). It could be an insider, it might not be, but i feel it is largely irrelevant. There is no new information here, and it is just a lot of preaching to the choir (pretty sure slashdot regulars would be an easy audience for this sort of thing).
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DarrkPhoenix: I have to wonder if this is really the case. Despite all the noise some companies have made about game resales, just how big is the second-hand market for PC games?

Wait, you expect their arguments to be more than just propaganda for the ignorant? Their piracy figures are verging on delusional, so I wouldn't be surprised if their 'estimates' of second hand PC game sales are also ridiculous. Whatever it takes to appease the shareholders...
Post edited May 02, 2010 by Krypsyn
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DarrkPhoenix: I have to wonder if this is really the case. Despite all the noise some companies have made about game resales, just how big is the second-hand market for PC games?
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Krypsyn: Wait, you expect their arguments to be more than just propaganda for the ignorant? Their piracy figures are verging on delusional, so I wouldn't be surprised if their 'estimates' of second hand PC game sales are also ridiculous. Whatever it takes to appease the shareholders...

It's the old game of "cover your own ass". Execs have to find some excuse for why this or that game didn't sell as many copies as they'd said it would. If it wasn't piracy or second hand sales, it would just be something else, at this time, probably the recession. Things you can be damned sure they'll NEVER blame it on is "we made a game that sucked and nobody wanted" or "due to the fact that we treat our customers like dirt, nobody wants to buy our products".
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Tantrix: I saw recent gameplay videos of SC:C. A really simplified and dumbed down game, looks more like Uncharted,no challange in there, there are even levels which resemble like Gears of War.

Well as a person who has, you know, PLAYED the game, I can tell you that you're getting the wrong impression.
Video is a very dubious way of checking out a game, if someone plays the game in your style it's good but if someone plays it like a brainless run & gun then thats how it will look. I've spent 20 minutes planning a room takedown only to be screwed up by impatiently moving at the wrong time. There are levels where you can't be detected or you fail or where detection triggers reenforcements which makes it harder.
Despite the more action oriented appearance, the game is still largely splinter cell
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Tantrix: I saw recent gameplay videos of SC:C. A really simplified and dumbed down game, looks more like Uncharted,no challange in there, there are even levels which resemble like Gears of War.
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Aliasalpha: Well as a person who has, you know, PLAYED the game, I can tell you that you're getting the wrong impression.
Video is a very dubious way of checking out a game, if someone plays the game in your style it's good but if someone plays it like a brainless run & gun then thats how it will look. I've spent 20 minutes planning a room takedown only to be screwed up by impatiently moving at the wrong time. There are levels where you can't be detected or you fail or where detection triggers reenforcements which makes it harder.
Despite the more action oriented appearance, the game is still largely splinter cell

Speaking of SC:C I found a torrent with Skidrow's crack on it online. My god these people work fast.